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[CONTACT] The Mother/Denise Paulson
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gimlet
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I totally disagree.

There are many reasons some one would be unable to reply to something, and one of them is exactly that they are dead.

Another is that they are comotose, which can also fit with suicide, as many suicide attempts don't end in death.

Or maybe she has just cut off contact, though I feel like that doesn't fit with the narrative they're building, which is clearly a dark one.

Wherever Megan is, it sounds like neither her mom or Howard can reach her.



EDIT: Ohhhhhh heeeey you guys, you know what's interesting?

If Megan were 11 during y2k, then she'd be right around high school grad age in 2008.

What if she was in New York when Hammer down happened? And Howard blames himself because all his planning couldn't save her?

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CloverfieldClues.com
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JustThinking wrote:
There's something about that "could or would" reply. Just not what you would say about someone who died and where action is impossible.


IMO, if she's dead, you would just say "could" and could leave the "would" out.


gimlet wrote:
And Howard blames himself because all his planning couldn't save her?


I don't think that timeline is correct, but if Howard knew she died in NYC, he would really have to be off of his rocker to build a website for her, expecting her to respond...

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danteIL
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Just from the bits and pieces i've gleaned about the movie (no spoilers!) I am thinking more and more that the 1st Cloverfield event doesn't exist in the world of this new movie.

Plus, there's this, from Denise:
Quote:
Every few years there's some new danger that's going to kill us all. But the disaster never happens.


'never happens' suggests to me that the monster rampage in NYC never occurred.

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v37
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Link to email images

Hello,

Hope this satisfies!
https://imgur.com/gallery/IkmKQ

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CloverfieldClues.com
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danteIL wrote:
'never happens' suggests to me that the monster rampage in NYC never occurred.


I think it's possible that this movie and the original movie take place at the same time...

EDIT: Never mind... I forgot Howard is the Employee of the Month 2016, so probably not.

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patshatner
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Re: Link to email images

v37 wrote:
Hello,

Hope this satisfies!
https://imgur.com/gallery/IkmKQ


Awesome! Thanks dude.

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Red Walrus
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danteIL wrote:
kosmopol wrote:
Rereading the letter I am sure Megan weren't dead, at least this time.
Quote:
Megan must have been about 11, and she wouldn't stop asking him why we were hiding. So he put his hand over her mouth to keep her quiet, and kept it there so long that she couldn't breathe. That was the moment I knew that I needed to get us away from him.


I think you left out the important part of the quote Smile

Quote:
Maybe if I'd realized it sooner, things wouldn't have turned out so badly.


Anyone else think of the last episode of MASH when you read this? A women kills her child to keep it from crying and alerting their enemies.

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ObFuSc8
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CloverfieldClues.com wrote:
JustThinking wrote:
There's something about that "could or would" reply. Just not what you would say about someone who died and where action is impossible.

IMO, if she's dead, you would just say "could" and could leave the "would" out.


Not necessarily, it seems purposely left open to interpretation - for example "as if she would or could reply" might just be meant in a "wouldn't have even if she could have" sense. (As in Megan wouldn't have replied even if she were alive.)

Denise might also say that if Megan ran away and found herself on…THE ISLAND. Laughing Laughing Laughing (Sorry guys, I couldn't stop myself from throwing in a LOST joke).

gimlet wrote:
EDIT: Ohhhhhh heeeey you guys, you know what's interesting?

If Megan were 11 during y2k, then she'd be right around high school grad age in 2008.

What if she was in New York when Hammer down happened? And Howard blames himself because all his planning couldn't save her?


Except that would mean she died BEFORE Howard started working for Bold Futura in fall 2009. Denise's email said they were all still together when Howard started with BF, and "I didn't even think he'd mind too much when we left" implies that Megan was still there/alive.


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CloverfieldClues.com wrote:
danteIL wrote:
'never happens' suggests to me that the monster rampage in NYC never occurred.

I think it's possible that this movie and the original movie take place at the same time...


But what about MEW's iPhone & all of Howard's references to very recent IRL events on FAPT?

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gimlet
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Oooh, valid point about Bold Futura.

It's interesting that these developments have us all trying to work out the narrative instead of a more straightforward puzzle.

I mean, I don't mind it at all! But it is interesting. Especially given we've got so little time left.

I think the narrative we do have is *really* strong and fascinating, and complex - look how many feelings and theories and opinions it's stirred in us all, this kinda confirms for me this might just be an In House dealio, because so many ARG narratives are so terrible. This feels like Hollywood people who know how to create compelling characters.

Like I'm getting chills from this stuff with Denise. She feels like a real person I want to protect from Howard, even though I'm torn by having gotten to know Howard first. And having the knowledge that he will end up being right in the end.

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kosmopol
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Oh yes, absolutely.
And now, people, imagine how we will perceive the movie.
With a totally different angle than other random moviegoers. We could build a psychogram of Howard, we know about his background, we empathize him, we fear him. This #10cloverfieldlane experience wasn't a viral marketing, it was enhancing of our view.

Amazing, so amazing.

And v37, again, you rock! You could find a thin frequence of communication with a character.thank you for screens, I'll use them in my blog.
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Doing some house cleaning - I should have split the threads days ago, but as some of you know I wasn't home or when I was I was sick, and I certainly didn't want to risk losing anything in the moves and splits. I will ask because it will really disrupt the flow if i try to split out the ones already made that all further movie spec {and I am totally just as guilty on this} that isn't directly on topic move over to the movie spec thread. Smile That's what it is there for. Very Happy

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Is it at all possible that we are just trusting The Mother with no real reason?
https://twitter.com/10CloverfieldLn/status/706922417487122432
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Some lies are meant to protect. Others are meant to deceive

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gimlet
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Entirely possible. Yep. I think we just feel so bad for her because her story is so compelling - but that doesn't mean it's true (I mean, it's not, it's fictional lol).

We've taken everything Howard has said with a grain of salt so far. Maybe we should do the same for Denise?

Oh and yes Kosmopol, this has turned out to be an amazing experience after all, even if it wasn't exactly the kind of ARG we initially expected, and it was a bumpy route getting here.

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nakednudesy
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Howard Theory

Denise mentions that Howard has had someone do "his dirty work" before. Could Howard have tried to kidnap Megan? Maybe sent someone to find her once the mother left (I'm assuming with Megan). That's a theory for if Megan is alive.

If she's dead, my money's on a car wreck that they all got into. Howard was drunk driving and Megan died in the crash. The mom blames Howard, obviously.

Side note: Just won 2 tickets to an advanced screening, so I'll see how these theories play out ONE DAY before it opens! lol.

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kosmopol
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Re: Link to email images

v37 wrote:
Hello,

Hope this satisfies!
https://imgur.com/gallery/IkmKQ


Thank you again.

You are now a hero of my blog Smile
http://merzmensch.blogspot.de/2016/03/10-cloverfield-lane-gesprache-mit.html
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Pixiestix
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So, uh... Did anyone else start chanting "Her name is Denise Paulson!" after the reveal?
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