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otakreg wrote:
Hi all, first time poster here. I've followed some ARGs in the past but never posted until now. So, anyway... I wanted to put all the information about this potential ARG in one place. Credit for a lot of this stuff goes to other users from unfiction, RelicNews, Reddit, and Youtube, so... thanks everyone for your contributions!

Youtube video What's in the Box? - Test Film 2009 posted on Mar 13 2009 from account Timacious, registered June 22 2007. Comment reads "This is a early temp version. Will be deleted soon." Video is said to contain heavy Half Life references including a similar universe and concept, borrowed sound effects, usage of the phrase "What's in the Box?", and a news ticker reading "MILLIONS FEARED DEAD - NO NEWS FROM DISASTER AREA - LARGEST SINGLE COLLAPSE IN HISTORY SINCE BLACK MESA", leading some viewers to immediately assume the video to be a viral add for Half Life 2: Ep 3. Some claims are made that the video is an advertisement for Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG, or Acer because of the product placement. Also, it is noted that most of the music in the video is ripped directly from Lost, written by Michael Giacchino, with the possible exception of a track from The Lost World - Jurassic Park 2 by John Williams when the man in the video runs from the bus around 5:00 into the video. The scenery in the video is recognized as the city Nijmegen, Netherlands.

There are 3 other videos uploaded by the Timacious account:

Discovery Mythbusters - The Phone Book Myth, uploaded Nov 20 2007, shows the Dutch student Tim Smit and friend Steven Roeters attempting to separate two interwoven phone books as a part of Discovery Channel's Be a Mythbuster contest. At 3:53 a red logo of a tilted square with a question mark in the center shows, with unreadable text beneath it. This appears again at 4:31. According to this article, Tim Smit and Steven Roeters are Natural Science students at Radboud University, won the contest, and flew out to meet the real Mythbusters in Feb 2008. The article also mentions that they are working on What's in the Box.

Terminator 2 - Sweded, uploaded May 13 2008, is a humorously low-budget re-enactment of the 1991 film Terminator 2: Judgment Day. The credits for the video, shown at 1:17, list Tim Smit among other names. The same logo of a tilted square with a question mark in the center can be seen twice during these credits (bottom-right at 1:17, bottom-left at 1:19).

Storm Chasers - Becoming Tornadoproof, uploaded Dec 16 2008, appears to be an entry for Discovery Channel's Storm Chasers contest. The video is a spoof instructional video about becoming "Tornadoproof" and features a character named "The Extreme". At 0:14 in, the gearshift of the car can be seen to be a Terminator's metallic skull. At 1:00, a piece of debris resembling part of a wall falls to the ground in the background and is destroyed. As the piece is falling, the logo of a tilted square with a question mark in the center can be seen on it for a split second. The email address Timaciousd.at.gmail.com can be seen at 1:17. This email address seems to be a reference to the band Tenacious D.

Website http://whatsinthebox.nl/ displays a tilted square with a question mark in the center. The square pulses with light, revealing that is actually 3-dimensional, a cube or box. The box appears to have sparks emanating from it. 4 digits in the center of the screen cycle between a number of strings. At the bottom of the screen, motion picture-style credits read:

PRODUCTIONS presents a MYSTERY OF MYSTERIES production "WHAT IS IN THE BOX"
writers TIMSMIT THIBAUT NIELS music created by STEVEN ROETERS directory of photography TIMSMIT production design THIBAUT NIELS TIMSMIT
special effects TIMSMIT screenplay written by THIBAUT NIELS TIMSMIT website complex by TIM MEEUWISSEN TIMSMIT film editor TIMSMIT produced and directed by TIMSMIT THIBAUT NIELS
additional thanks to FRANK TER ELST JURI JOOSTEN and MARKUP
2007 A PRODUCTIONS official series. All rights reserved

When moused-over, the box flashes red, text appears within and below the box, and question marks appear over certain letters within the credits. With some visual adjustments, the text in the box can be seen to be the lyrics of Tenacious D's song Beelzebob.

The letters from the credits which are covered with question marks read something like this:

OTION nts ST WHAT IS IN THE BOX
TIS CREA TEV O ector phy BAUT
SM S TH IS EEU S dito MS c ec MIT T
dition R TER EL U OOS d AR

or this:

O TION nts ST WHAT IS IN THE BOX
s TI crea TEV RO ector phy BAUT MSM
SM TH IMS EEU S MS c ec MIT UT
ditio R ER EL U OOS d AR

or this:

O(T)ION NT (S) ST "WHAT IS IN THE BOX"
ST(IM) CREA TE (R)O (C)TOR
PH(Y) BAUT MSM
S Th IMS EEU SM EDI-(Possibly DIT from the word EDITOR) CE ED MIT UT
DITO R ER ELS OOS(T) D R

It's hard to tell which letters are actually supposed to be covered and which are not, because in some cases a question mark covers part of a letter but not the entire thing.

Decompiling the flash object on the page reveals that the 4-digit string is an array called bullshitArray, and contains the strings:
0001 WSAD 134G ASDF 123A 1234 5223 QWER FASG 4213 UUUU READ FAST JFSD 2123 BOXR SAGA JFSD 2123 6335 2347 2678 7856 1111 0003

When the source of the page is viewed, a comment can be found which reads:
Every medium, as its ancestors
Every pro, has his anti's, now you think about that

Also, a link to the image Anti.jpg, which shows the box and credits again, but with different text behind the box. With visual adjustments, this text has been found to be from this page about Dye-sensitized solar cells. The numbers 71-73.5% and 87% are highlighted in red and differ from the numbers on the site, and the word ATTAINABLLNESS is overlayed near the bottom. This seems to be a misspelling of "attainableness". Rather than a question mark in the center, the box contains some math formulas and images of squares. It has been suggested that the 4 cube graphics within the main cube are representations of a hypercube rotating in 3-space. The top math formula (V2n=integrals) integral is the volume of a cube of side length 2n, but the rest of the math at this point seems to be insignificant. The EXIF of the image shows the graphic was made on 2007/03/12 at 15:19:54 using Photoshop CS for Windows.

A whois of the site shows that it is hosted in the Netherlands, was registered by "T. Smit" 2006-07-13, and was updated on 2006-10-03.

Other info about Tim Smit and Steven Roeters:
- Tim Smit apparently designed an Urban Security Suit which bears resemblance to the generic-ish jumpsuits worn by the men in the What's in the Box video
- Steven Roeters may have some connection to Biosurface Spectroscopy Research: http://www.amolf.nl/research/biosurface-spectroscopy/group-members/amolf-person/article///ce40933c27/?tx_ooipamolfpeople_pi1[showUid]=10891
- Tim Smit's name is a palindrome (TIMSMIT is the same backwards and forwards); Tim Smit is also not an uncommon name in the Netherlands

Other notes about the What's in the Box video:
- The device that the "box" is in at the beginning of the video is an Atomic Force Microscope
- The phone number that the runner is attempting to dial is 59462
- At 5:21 when the runner removes the Brain Computer Interface, it has a Windows Blue Screen of Death, specifically a page fault (error 0x0E)
- At 6:44 when the runner is hiding in the house, as he turns, an image of a face can be seen briefly. It was suggested that this face resembled a Heavy from Team Fortress 2, but I think this idea has already been dispelled because it was discovered that the face is merely a wall ornament in the house
- All of the birds in the background fall dead out of the air at 8:20
- It was suggested that 3 different brands of cell phones were shown because of a law in the Netherlands that requires at least 3 brands of a certain product to be mentioned in order for a film or TV show to not be considered advertisement. I'm not sure, however, what this says about the Acer handheld at 1:05 and the Philips monitor at 0:54

Links to other threads:
Reddit Videos
Reddit Gaming
RelicNews

My thoughts:
- The usage of Half Life sound effects and ideas, Lost and Jurassic Park music, and the brand names of Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG, Acer, and Philips is undeniable, but I think they are (intentionally or unintentionally?) sidetracking people into thinking this is an advert. Sure, it may just be a HL2:EP3 viral, but then again it may not be. Let's find out. Also, if it IS a HL2:EP3 viral, doesn't it seem weird that it would use borrowed music and such? Seems like that would be a copyright issue.
- Both of the Discovery Channel videos, as well as the Terminator video, show the box with the question mark inside. This may just be the logo for Tim Smit's studio PRODUCTIONS, but nevertheless the concept of the box has been floating around for a while now. The registration date of the http://whatsinthebox.nl/ URL and EXIF on the anti.jpg image confirm this. If Valve is somehow involved, and this is indeed a HL2:EP3 viral, this would mean Valve was already planning it before they released HL2:EP2.
- The Tower of Babel and the Box seems to be the main focus of the video, with the math formulas and hypercube illustration possibly hinting at some 4th-dimensional stuff. But, the website, anti.jpg, and Steven Roeters page bring up another topic, which is the solar energy stuff. To me, the red highlighted numbers in anti.jpg, which are higher than the numbers from the Biosurface Spectroscopy Research, are directly related the ATTAINABLLNESS; that is to say, that with a some sort of new technology/research/whatever, some sort of high-efficiency solar energy capturing device/ethod could be attainable.
- There seems to be a Terminator theme going on here, between the Terminator 2: Sweded video, and the Terminator gearshift in the car in Discovery Channel: Storm Chasers. I don't know if this means anything; probably just that Tim Smit and his crew like the Terminator. ALSO: about the solar cells, "These cells were invented by Michael Graetzel in 1991 and are also known as Graetzel cells". 1991, same year as Terminator 2.
- There also seems to be a Tenacious D theme, between the TimaciousD email address and the lyrics in the background on the page. Again, I have a feeling Tim Smit just likes Tenacious D.

Where to go from here:
- Decipher the 4-digit strings of text from the website, if there's any meaning to them. This is doubtful, considering they are from "bullshitArray".
- Figure out the significance of the other math formulas on the anti.jpg image, if there is any.
- Figure out the meaning behind 71-73.5% and 87% and ATTAINABLLNESS, if there is anything beyond what I've stated above.
- Is there any significance to the phone number 59462?
- Do Discovery Channel, Terminator, or Tenacious D have any meaning? What about Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG, Acer, and Philips? What about Half Life, Lost, and Jurassic Park?
- Can we find any more information about Tim Smit or Steven Roeters by googling around?
- Email Tim Smit? He did give us his address after all in the Storm Chasers video.


I was just going to add when the birds died first shortly followed a high pitch soundwave and then it started hurting all the officers ears that had surrounded the guy that was being chased. So when he activated the box to close that thing/portal in the sky that was the result of it at the end? You guys can try to email him I sent a english message through youtube and he didn't respond maybe I should of tried it in dutch.

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Two things

Quote:
Hi all, first time poster here. I've followed some ARGs in the past but never posted until now. So, anyway... I wanted to put all the information about this potential ARG in one place. Credit for a lot of this stuff goes to other users from unfiction, RelicNews, Reddit, and Youtube, so... thanks everyone for your contributions!

Youtube video What's in the Box? - Test Film 2009 posted on Mar 13 2009 from account Timacious, registered June 22 2007. Comment reads "This is a early temp version. Will be deleted soon." Video is said to contain heavy Half Life references including a similar universe and concept, borrowed sound effects, usage of the phrase "What's in the Box?", and a news ticker reading "MILLIONS FEARED DEAD - NO NEWS FROM DISASTER AREA - LARGEST SINGLE COLLAPSE IN HISTORY SINCE BLACK MESA", leading some viewers to immediately assume the video to be a viral add for Half Life 2: Ep 3. Some claims are made that the video is an advertisement for Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG, or Acer because of the product placement. Also, it is noted that most of the music in the video is ripped directly from Lost, written by Michael Giacchino, with the possible exception of a track from The Lost World - Jurassic Park 2 by John Williams when the man in the video runs from the bus around 5:00 into the video. The scenery in the video is recognized as the city Nijmegen, Netherlands.

There are 3 other videos uploaded by the Timacious account:

Discovery Mythbusters - The Phone Book Myth, uploaded Nov 20 2007, shows the Dutch student Tim Smit and friend Steven Roeters attempting to separate two interwoven phone books as a part of Discovery Channel's Be a Mythbuster contest. At 3:53 a red logo of a tilted square with a question mark in the center shows, with unreadable text beneath it. This appears again at 4:31. According to this article, Tim Smit and Steven Roeters are Natural Science students at Radboud University, won the contest, and flew out to meet the real Mythbusters in Feb 2008. The article also mentions that they are working on What's in the Box.

Terminator 2 - Sweded, uploaded May 13 2008, is a humorously low-budget re-enactment of the 1991 film Terminator 2: Judgment Day. The credits for the video, shown at 1:17, list Tim Smit among other names. The same logo of a tilted square with a question mark in the center can be seen twice during these credits (bottom-right at 1:17, bottom-left at 1:19).

Storm Chasers - Becoming Tornadoproof, uploaded Dec 16 2008, appears to be an entry for Discovery Channel's Storm Chasers contest. The video is a spoof instructional video about becoming "Tornadoproof" and features a character named "The Extreme". At 0:14 in, the gearshift of the car can be seen to be a Terminator's metallic skull. At 1:00, a piece of debris resembling part of a wall falls to the ground in the background and is destroyed. As the piece is falling, the logo of a tilted square with a question mark in the center can be seen on it for a split second. The email address Timaciousd.at.gmail.com can be seen at 1:17. This email address seems to be a reference to the band Tenacious D.

Website http://whatsinthebox.nl/ displays a tilted square with a question mark in the center. The square pulses with light, revealing that is actually 3-dimensional, a cube or box. The box appears to have sparks emanating from it. 4 digits in the center of the screen cycle between a number of strings. At the bottom of the screen, motion picture-style credits read:

PRODUCTIONS presents a MYSTERY OF MYSTERIES production "WHAT IS IN THE BOX"
writers TIMSMIT THIBAUT NIELS music created by STEVEN ROETERS directory of photography TIMSMIT production design THIBAUT NIELS TIMSMIT
special effects TIMSMIT screenplay written by THIBAUT NIELS TIMSMIT website complex by TIM MEEUWISSEN TIMSMIT film editor TIMSMIT produced and directed by TIMSMIT THIBAUT NIELS
additional thanks to FRANK TER ELST JURI JOOSTEN and MARKUP
2007 A PRODUCTIONS official series. All rights reserved

When moused-over, the box flashes red, text appears within and below the box, and question marks appear over certain letters within the credits. With some visual adjustments, the text in the box can be seen to be the lyrics of Tenacious D's song Beelzebob.

The letters from the credits which are covered with question marks read something like this:

OTION nts ST WHAT IS IN THE BOX
TIS CREA TEV O ector phy BAUT
SM S TH IS EEU S dito MS c ec MIT T
dition R TER EL U OOS d AR

or this:

O TION nts ST WHAT IS IN THE BOX
s TI crea TEV RO ector phy BAUT MSM
SM TH IMS EEU S MS c ec MIT UT
ditio R ER EL U OOS d AR

or this:

O(T)ION NT (S) ST "WHAT IS IN THE BOX"
ST(IM) CREA TE (R)O (C)TOR
PH(Y) BAUT MSM
S Th IMS EEU SM EDI-(Possibly DIT from the word EDITOR) CE ED MIT UT
DITO R ER ELS OOS(T) D R

It's hard to tell which letters are actually supposed to be covered and which are not, because in some cases a question mark covers part of a letter but not the entire thing.

Decompiling the flash object on the page reveals that the 4-digit string is an array called bullshitArray, and contains the strings:
0001 WSAD 134G ASDF 123A 1234 5223 QWER FASG 4213 UUUU READ FAST JFSD 2123 BOXR SAGA JFSD 2123 6335 2347 2678 7856 1111 0003

When the source of the page is viewed, a comment can be found which reads:
Every medium, as its ancestors
Every pro, has his anti's, now you think about that
Also, a link to the image Anti.jpg, which shows the box and credits again, but with different text behind the box. With visual adjustments, this text has been found to be from this page about Dye-sensitized solar cells. The numbers 71-73.5% and 87% are highlighted in red and differ from the numbers on the site, and the word ATTAINABLLNESS is overlayed near the bottom. This seems to be a misspelling of "attainableness". Rather than a question mark in the center, the box contains some math formulas and images of squares. It has been suggested that the 4 cube graphics within the main cube are representations of a hypercube rotating in 3-space. The top math formula (V2n=integrals) integral is the volume of a cube of side length 2n, but the rest of the math at this point seems to be insignificant. The EXIF of the image shows the graphic was made on 2007/03/12 at 15:19:54 using Photoshop CS for Windows.

A whois of the site shows that it is hosted in the Netherlands, was registered by "T. Smit" 2006-07-13, and was updated on 2006-10-03.

Other info about Tim Smit and Steven Roeters:
- Tim Smit apparently designed an Urban Security Suit which bears resemblance to the generic-ish jumpsuits worn by the men in the What's in the Box video
- Steven Roeters may have some connection to Biosurface Spectroscopy Research: http://www.amolf.nl/research/biosurface-spectroscopy/group-members/amolf-person/article///ce40933c27/?tx_ooipamolfpeople_pi1[showUid]=10891
- Tim Smit's name is a palindrome (TIMSMIT is the same backwards and forwards); Tim Smit is also not an uncommon name in the Netherlands

Other notes about the What's in the Box video:
- The device that the "box" is in at the beginning of the video is an Atomic Force Microscope
- The phone number that the runner is attempting to dial is 59462
- At 5:21 when the runner removes the Brain Computer Interface, it has a Windows Blue Screen of Death, specifically a page fault (error 0x0E)
- At 6:44 when the runner is hiding in the house, as he turns, an image of a face can be seen briefly. It was suggested that this face resembled a Heavy from Team Fortress 2, but I think this idea has already been dispelled because it was discovered that the face is merely a wall ornament in the house
- All of the birds in the background fall dead out of the air at 8:20
- It was suggested that 3 different brands of cell phones were shown because of a law in the Netherlands that requires at least 3 brands of a certain product to be mentioned in order for a film or TV show to not be considered advertisement. I'm not sure, however, what this says about the Acer handheld at 1:05 and the Philips monitor at 0:54

Links to other threads:
Reddit Videos
Reddit Gaming
RelicNews

My thoughts:
- The usage of Half Life sound effects and ideas, Lost and Jurassic Park music, and the brand names of Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG, Acer, and Philips is undeniable, but I think they are (intentionally or unintentionally?) sidetracking people into thinking this is an advert. Sure, it may just be a HL2:EP3 viral, but then again it may not be. Let's find out. Also, if it IS a HL2:EP3 viral, doesn't it seem weird that it would use borrowed music and such? Seems like that would be a copyright issue.
- Both of the Discovery Channel videos, as well as the Terminator video, show the box with the question mark inside. This may just be the logo for Tim Smit's studio PRODUCTIONS, but nevertheless the concept of the box has been floating around for a while now. The registration date of the http://whatsinthebox.nl/ URL and EXIF on the anti.jpg image confirm this. If Valve is somehow involved, and this is indeed a HL2:EP3 viral, this would mean Valve was already planning it before they released HL2:EP2.
- The Tower of Babel and the Box seems to be the main focus of the video, with the math formulas and hypercube illustration possibly hinting at some 4th-dimensional stuff. But, the website, anti.jpg, and Steven Roeters page bring up another topic, which is the solar energy stuff. To me, the red highlighted numbers in anti.jpg, which are higher than the numbers from the Biosurface Spectroscopy Research, are directly related the ATTAINABLLNESS; that is to say, that with a some sort of new technology/research/whatever, some sort of high-efficiency solar energy capturing device/ethod could be attainable.
- There seems to be a Terminator theme going on here, between the Terminator 2: Sweded video, and the Terminator gearshift in the car in Discovery Channel: Storm Chasers. I don't know if this means anything; probably just that Tim Smit and his crew like the Terminator. ALSO: about the solar cells, "These cells were invented by Michael Graetzel in 1991 and are also known as Graetzel cells". 1991, same year as Terminator 2.
- There also seems to be a Tenacious D theme, between the TimaciousD email address and the lyrics in the background on the page. Again, I have a feeling Tim Smit just likes Tenacious D.

Where to go from here:
- Decipher the 4-digit strings of text from the website, if there's any meaning to them. This is doubtful, considering they are from "bullshitArray".
- Figure out the significance of the other math formulas on the anti.jpg image, if there is any.
- Figure out the meaning behind 71-73.5% and 87% and ATTAINABLLNESS, if there is anything beyond what I've stated above.
- Is there any significance to the phone number 59462?
- Do Discovery Channel, Terminator, or Tenacious D have any meaning? What about Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG, Acer, and Philips? What about Half Life, Lost, and Jurassic Park?
- Can we find any more information about Tim Smit or Steven Roeters by googling around?
- Email Tim Smit? He did give us his address after all in the Storm Chasers video.

PostPosted: Today, at 10:18 am
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numbers
Why those numbers would be highlighted: 71-73.5% and 87%?

Seven digits for---> 717-3587?

Any other guess?


1. TL;DR
2. Trout for most of that.

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Re: Two things

Oriza wrote:
1. TL;DR
2. :trout: for most of that.

Yeah, I know, kinda just trying to get it in one place for anyone interested in catching up.
Oriza wrote:
Welcome to uF.

Thanks.

Wanted to add that this post explains what two of the other formulas are: m(2)=1/2 n(n3+1) is Big O Notation, which is about growth rate, and .75(sqrt2)=1.06066 is Prince Rupert's Cube, which is about fitting a big cube into a smaller cube.

My thought is that if you apply Big O Notation to the volume of a cube, making bigger and bigger cubes up to an upper bound, and insert each bigger cube into the previous (smaller) cube according to Prince Rupert's Cube, you'd end up with... a bunch of big cubes in a small cube? To me, this idea feels similar to the diagram of the squares in Anti.jpg.

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Re: Two things

otakreg wrote:
Oriza wrote:
1. TL;DR
2. Trout for most of that.

Yeah, I know, kinda just trying to get it in one place for anyone interested in catching up.
Oriza wrote:
Welcome to uF.

Thanks.

Wanted to add that this post explains what two of the other formulas are: m(2)=1/2 n(n3+1) is Big O Notation, which is about growth rate, and .75(sqrt2)=1.06066 is Prince Rupert's Cube, which is about fitting a big cube into a smaller cube.

My thought is that if you apply Big O Notation to the volume of a cube, making bigger and bigger cubes up to an upper bound, and insert each bigger cube into the previous (smaller) cube according to Prince Rupert's Cube, you'd end up with... a bunch of big cubes in a small cube? To me, this idea feels similar to the diagram of the squares in Anti.jpg.


Sounds right, but at this point I don't think we have near enough clues.

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The background text in anti.jpg is about portable, efficient sloar panels or something... Check this out:
http://www.loop.ph/bin/view/Openloop/DyeSensitizedSolarCells

Also, a hint from the page source:
<Every>
<!-- Every pro, has his anti's, now you think about that -->

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Re: Two things

otakreg wrote:

m(2)=1/2 n(n3+1) is Big O Notation


I Don't see how that fit's into " big O" notation, other than the use of "M" as a function and "n" as a variable. It looks to be just some function of "n", although it does look familiar I can't pinpoint whether that's because it has some physical properties behind it or it just looks like any other function you would play with in a math course.

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Re: Two things

Delusional wrote:
otakreg wrote:

m(2)=1/2 n(n3+1) is Big O Notation


I Don't see how that fit's into " big O" notation, other than the use of "M" as a function and "n" as a variable. It looks to be just some function of "n", although it does look familiar I can't pinpoint whether that's because it has some physical properties behind it or it just looks like any other function you would play with in a math course.

You're totally right; reading up on Big O more, this isn't necessarily Big O-related at all. It is, however, a growth function that could be expressed with Big O notation, which in turn means it could be applied to the same logic: take volume of cube with side length 2n, increase volume of cube according to growth function M(n), insert new cube into old cube according to Prince Rupert's Cube Problem.

For example, starting with a cube of side length 2n where n=1.02 (side length 2.04 units), M(n)=1.0512, which is less than the 1.06066 of Prince Rupert's Cube. This means that the new cube with side length 2n where n=1.0512 (side length 2.1024 units) could be passed through the original cube.

This is all just conjecture on my part, just a theory that the 3 outer equations in anti.jpg form some sort of loop of cubes. Thanks for the feedback.

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just fyi

via Gamespy:
Quote:
Alas, the "What Is In The Box" video is just another project created by members of the rabid Half-Life community. We spoke with Vice President of Marketing Doug Lombardi today, and he went on record about the fact that neither of the videos were made or comissioned by Valve. "The Box video was a cool piece from the community. Two in just a few weeks," said Lombardi "I hope there's more on the way."

Of course, that doesn't really answer the question that we're all dying to know: just what is in that box?!?

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Re: Two things

otakreg wrote:


increase volume of cube according to growth function M(n), insert new cube into old cube according to Prince Rupert's Cube Problem.


That equation doesn't describe the increase in volume of a cube of side 2n with n, it would increase by 8n^3 with increasing n.

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For example, starting with a cube of side length 2n where n=1.02 (side length 2.04 units), M(n)=1.0512, which is less than the 1.06066 of Prince Rupert's Cube. This means that the new cube with side length 2n where n=1.0512 (side length 2.1024 units) could be passed through the original cube.


I apologize but I just don't seem to understand what you are doing here. So the new side length is a function of the old side length? Is n = 1.02 arbitrarily chosen so 2M(1.02) < 1.06 ? ...... Perhaps typing that out I do see what you are getting at. Now I don't see why the function M would describe the new side length to fit through the old cube. You are talking about some nesting pattern where the old will fit through the new a' la Prince Rupert's Cube? If so something along the lines of 2n[new]=M(2n[old])=1.0605(2n[old]), where the original choice of n isn't arbitrarily chosen to fit through the unit cube would make more sense. Interesting stuff.

Have you ever seen the Z(sub)n expression before?

Edited:for correction.

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thebruce wrote:
just fyi

via Gamespy:
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Alas, the "What Is In The Box" video is just another project created by members of the rabid Half-Life community. We spoke with Vice President of Marketing Doug Lombardi today, and he went on record about the fact that neither of the videos were made or comissioned by Valve. "The Box video was a cool piece from the community. Two in just a few weeks," said Lombardi "I hope there's more on the way."

Of course, that doesn't really answer the question that we're all dying to know: just what is in that box?!?


For a "fan made" video... Holy crap!

I don't get why these guys are staying secret... I'd hire them if I could in a heartbeat!

Besides the sounds (which was clearly from HL), while looking at the clip I don't know why I kept thinking more about Portal than I did HL.
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Re: Background Text

ferriswheel42 wrote:
The background text in anti.jpg is about portable, efficient sloar panels or something... Check this out:
http://www.loop.ph/bin/view/Openloop/DyeSensitizedSolarCells

Also, a hint from the page source:
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<!-- Every pro, has his anti's, now you think about that -->


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Can people *please* try doing this thing called READING THE WHOLE THREAD before posting information that has been a) posted already and b) trouted twice?
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Not related to this, but if people are interested in another well-made HL vid, check out Escape From City 17 Pt. 1.

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I immediately thought of that when I saw this new video, thinking it may be part 2.

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Delusional wrote:
I immediately thought of that when I saw this new video, thinking it may be part 2.


I did too...
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Re: Two things

Delusional wrote:
otakreg wrote:
For example, starting with a cube of side length 2n where n=1.02 (side length 2.04 units), M(n)=1.0512, which is less than the 1.06066 of Prince Rupert's Cube. This means that the new cube with side length 2n where n=1.0512 (side length 2.1024 units) could be passed through the original cube.


I apologize but I just don't seem to understand what you are doing here. So the new side length is a function of the old side length? Is n = 1.02 arbitrarily chosen so 2M(1.02) < 1.06 ? ...... Perhaps typing that out I do see what you are getting at. Now I don't see why the function M would describe the new side length to fit through the old cube. You are talking about some nesting pattern where the old will fit through the new a' la Prince Rupert's Cube? If so something along the lines of 2n[new]=M(2n[old])=1.0605(2n[old]), where the original choice of n isn't arbitrarily chosen to fit through the unit cube would make more sense. Interesting stuff.

Have you ever seen the Z(sub)n expression before?

Edited:for correction.


I've gotta apologize first - my math earlier was half-baked because I was setting 2M(n)=1.06066 and saying that this somehow proved that the new cube would fit through the old cube. Using my arbitrary n=1.02 (which I chose because it's a simple number and would make the algebra easy), I was making a new cube with M(n)=1.0512 and saying that this worked because M(n)=1.0512 < 1.06066.

Now I have to thank you - your reply, at first, confused the hell out of me, but once you corrected your equation, it actually helped me find where I had gone wrong. The equation I was searching for in the first place was not 2M(n)=1.06066, but rather 2M(n)=(1.06066)(n). The only difference between this and the equation you posted (2n[new]=M(2n[old])=1.0605(2n[old])) is that I'm using 2M(n) rather than M(2n) as the new side length, according to the growth function in anti.jpg.

So, using the collaboratively correct equation of 2n[new]=2M(n[old])=1.06066(2n[old]), I can do two things: finish working out my example with the arbitrary n=1.02 (which actually does work), and also find an ideal value for n in order to fit the LARGEST possible new cube through the original cube.

Arbitrary: n=1.02
2M(n)=(2)(1/2)(n)(n+1)=(2)(1.0512)=2.1024
(1.06066)(2n)=(1.06066)(2.04)=2.1637
2.1637 / 2.1024 = 1.0292
Ratio of new cube side length to old cube side length is 2.1637:2.1024, which is 1.0292:1.0000. Because 1.0292<1.06066, the new cube fits through the old cube with room to spare.

Ideal n value
2n[new]=2M(n[old])=1.06066(2n[old])
2M(n)=(1.06066)(2n)
M(n)=(1/2)(n)(n+1)
(2)(1/2)(n)(n+1) = (1.06066)(2n)
( 2 )(1/2)( n )(n+1) = (1.06066)( 2n )
(n+1)=(1.06066)(2)
n=(1.06066)(2)-1
n=1.12132
n=1.0389

To double check this:
n=1.0389
M(n)=(1/2)(n)(n+1)=1.1019
2n = 2.0778 (original side length)
2M(n) = 2.2038 (new side length)
2.2038/2.0778 = 1.060641
Taking into account that I had to round once or twice creating a very slight error in the last few decimal places, these two values are in a 1:1.06066 ratio. This means starting with n=1.0389 will produce the largest possible cube that can still fit through the original cube.

For those who have no idea why I'm playing number games:
The top equation on anti.jpg is a formula to find the volume of the cube. The left equation is just a standard function with exponential growth, which could be expressed in Big O Notation if you felt like. The right equation is Prince Rupert's Cube Problem. By seeding a value of 1<n<1.0389, these 3 equations can be used as a finite or infinite loop. At each iteration, the value n (half the side length of the cube) is fed into the growth equation M(n) to produce a larger side length value which will be within the 1:1.06066 ratio of Prince Rupert's Cube Problem. According to Prince Rupert, this means the new, larger volume cube, can actually pass through the original, smaller volume cube. By repeating this process, a series of sequentially larger volume cubes can be inserted into smaller volume cubes. If this series of equations is meant to be viewed as a related sequence, the answer to the question "What's in the Box?" may be: a whole bunch of bigger boxes.

Also,
Delusional wrote:
Have you ever seen the Z(sub)n expression before?

Nope. Since it's the "central" equation of the cube, I'd love to know what it means. Maybe a math grad student will stumble in here, check my stuff thus far for mistakes, and tell us what the central equation is.

Semi-unrelated, the Valve announcement should come as no surprise, Tim Smit and crew definitely borrowed from several intellectual properties while making Box, Half Life just being one of them. And, as cool as Escape From City 17 was, there's definitely no relation between it and Box.

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