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Titanium
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I am intrigued by the possibility of it being Boston. That may give me a good reason to go and visit some day. For you 48er's - maybe it's Ambrosia

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:08 pm
another_pilot_dwn
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ooooooo.....

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:03 pm
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I got one as well -
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My location is Houston, Texas.
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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:06 am
Pavoreax
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I think I've figured out these "F" distances.

Doing the math on all of the distances and times provided, 1F appears to be equivalent to about 2.47 minutes.

For example:

Austin, TX
15656F
26d, 19h (26 days, 19 hours)
= 38,580 minutes
/ 15656F = 2.464 minutes/F

The math works out about the same for all of the distances provided.

Next, I set out to find a location that would fit these distances to determine both the location of the "Prison City" and the scale of the "F" unit. To do this, I set up a map in Illustrator, with circles centered on the known cities. The circles were the right proportion to each other and I gradually expanded them, maintaining their proportions until I found the spot where they overlapped. The result of this was that I found a location where the arcs centered on Austin, Rochester, and Richmond converged, but I could not make the Mendon circle match up. Plus, the point where they intersected was in the Atlantic Ocean, just off the coast of Massachusetts.

My conclusion from this was that the distances being measured were possibly not crow-flies distances, but travel distances, like one would get from Google Maps. So, I pulled up Google Maps to do a little investigation.

As happens almost every time I use GMaps, I found a new feature. You can now choose whether you are driving, taking public transit, or walking. You get different directions and travel times for each mode of transportation. And what do you know - the times for walking directions from the different cities to areas around Boston were pretty damn close to the times given by Songwraith.

I am prepared to say at this point that the day-hour-minute times given by Songwraith are the travel time given by Google directions for walking.

So, what, then is an "F" unit? Well, using Google maps again, it appears that their quoted walking time is just a calculation based on walking a constant pace of about 5kph. Given that, and the known times and "F" distances, 1F appears to be about 201.137 meters. That is, 1/8 mile, or one furlong. So, "F" stands for furlong.

Now, to determine the location of the Prison City. It's somewhere around Boston, but it doesn't appear to be Boston itself. The best candidate I have found so far is Plymouth, MA, but for Plymouth, the distance from Mendon, MA is way off.

City.................Expected Time.......To Boston.........To Plymouth
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Austin, TX........26d, 19h...............26d, 12h...........26d, 19h
Mendon, MA.....12h, 39m..............11h, 25m..........17h, 4m
Rochester, NY...5d, 15h.................5d, 5h..............5d, 15h
Richmond, VA...7d, 20h................7d, 17h.............7d, 19h
Houston, TX......25d, 4h................25d, 1h.............25d, 4h

So, maybe the PM made a mistake in the distance from Mendon to Plymouth, or maybe there is another location candidate that will work better. It's late and I've been searching for a while now. Maybe someone else can find it.

Conclusions:

1. "F" = furlong and is based on walking distance, not straight-line distance
2. Times to the "Prison City" are walking travel times as quoted by GMaps
3. The Prison City is somewhere near Boston

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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:33 am
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 Titanium wrote: I am intrigued by the possibility of it being Boston. That may give me a good reason to go and visit some day. For you 48er's - maybe it's Ambrosia

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:46 am
another_pilot_dwn
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@Pavoreax: wow that's terriffic! If I had karma to give I would!

but all I can give you is this humble

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:37 pm
Titanium
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I just found out yesterday about the option of walking directions on google maps and I did not make the connection - that was very good!

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:07 pm
Efrain
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hi everyone. joining in here, hopefully helping out some, after the dud of CF that was iamblind.org....

This trailhead interested me with the first video, but now I'll be able to devote a few more mouse clicks to it for sure.

cheers.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:02 am
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I'm in now too
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:32 am
codeTONY
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moi aussi. some interesting things going on here.

sent in a pm to the PM. I'm hoping to get caught up.

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:39 pm
LaughingWolf
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Good work Tresbien, you've pulled a fair number of ARGers from the iamblind thread into this one! You guys seem to have uncovered some complex and fascinating information...having little else to contribute at this time, I'll send my location in to Songwraith as well.

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:53 pm
Tarq
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I'm keeping tabs on this as well; looks interesting. I'm in Australia, so I can tell you right now that I'm nowhere near Prison City (unless you count convict colonies), but if you wanted me to send word of my location to songwraith to get an international reaction then I would. Have my senses deceived me, or did someone say he was from Germany?

A lot of interesting stuff uncovered here. Has anyone looked into the "players" described by the PM and the characters in the movie? Busy now, but if I don't get word back soonish then I'll look it up myself.

EDIT: Okay, looking into characters now. The phrasing of the video makes it somewhat unclear as to whether or not "the founder" is being described as "a man of eternal sorrow" or whether Sorrow Man is a completely different character; similarly, the "hanged bride" may or may not be the "witch of Monaco", and so on and so forth. To this end, I put forward the following alternate transcription of the second video:

 Quote: Welcome to the echelon. It is time to know your cast of players. The founder; a man of eternal sorrow. The hanged bride; a witch of Monaco. The pride; the child twice murdered. The jurors; time may prove their innocence. The prison city; a possessive women dressed as the town. Now that you know them, they will haunt you.

Sound effects may also be significant; watery sounds appear to be present again (I'm on a laptop with poor speakers, so forgive any mishearings) with particular bubbles; what sounds like a knife or blade may be heard between the mentions of 'the pride' and 'the child'. Is that a rope being pulled taught between 'hanged bride' and 'witch of Monaco'? If so, that suggests to me that there are five 'characters' and a sound representing each is played between their 'title' and 'description'; the lack of sound between other phrases (such as 'man of eternal sorrow' and 'the hanged bride') would seem to support this.

The Founder - sounds to me like a raptor in the background? possibly a demon
He is apparently a dude of eternal sorrow! Possible links to previous "life unending"? The obvious candidate for Founder is Faustus himself. I tried to do some more research into The Eyes Without a Face, and though I confess I didn't look for long, the most I could find named him as Genessier, as per the original French. If I'm not mistaken (could very well be, only read through topic once) the PM responded when spoken to on the subject of 'Faustus', correct? This may be linking to the The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus, a play by Christopher Marlowe in which the Faustus character sells his soul to Lucifer (thus unending sorrow). If this is a link, and the sounds are relevant, then the 'raptor' is probably meant to be a demon howling. The Founder, and potentially Faustus, is most likely (in my opinion, at least) to be the bald dude from the original clip.

The Hanged Bride - a rope being pulled tight? potentially noose, representing hanging
Nothing I've read thus far has hinted towards Faustus having a wife. If the hanged bride is indeed the 'witch of Monaco', then the following page may be of interest in regards to her (and if not, then in regards to the Witch character herself): http://www.mail-archive.com/seeknfind@maillist.il.fontys.nl/msg01314.html. This page itself only really links to http://www.time.com/time/magazine/1997/int/970120/cover.family.html, which just vaguely mentions that a witch from Monaco put a curse on the Grimaldi family. Within the pages of the almighty Wikipedia, I discovered... not much! Grimaldi is the name of a 'Revenant Family' of ghouls in some of White Wolf Game Studio's vampire games, which could (improbably, methinks) link to a "life unending"; more likely is entirely unrelated. The House of Grimaldi, the Monacan family, itself has a page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Grimaldi, though the words 'witch' and 'curse' don't appear anywhere there. A more thorough investigation may be mounted by someone who is not so tired? This is very likely -- indeed, I'm tempted to say 'certainly' -- the lady who appeared at the end of the first video. She was indeed pretty hanged!

The Pride - closer listening reveals a child's giggle followed by the sound of sharp metals!
In the vein of Eyes Without a Face, this would seem to me to refer to Christiane Genessier, the doctor's daughter; obviously, however, we don't know how closely the PM is sticking to that story. Faustus' child would be his pride, shown by his obsession with 'helping' her, and 'twice murdered' could be a reference to perhaps her accident which scarred her (her first 'death') and another unknown (possibly metaphorical or symbolic) 'death'. Her treatment at the hands of her father (if she is Christiane) would therefore be symbolised by the sharp metallic sound, themselves perhaps being surgical tools used in the grafts. The child's giggle, however, sounds to me as though The Pride may be too young to fit this role; I've not seen the movie myself, so if anyone who has more information in this regard, I'd encourage them to bring it to everyone's attention. Alternatively, the giggle might just be symbolic of 'child', disregarding age, or, of course, Christiane Genessier is not The Pride at all.

The Jurors - no sound?
I've got nothing here. Perhaps referencing us as players now; the lack of sound indicates our lack of presence within the scheme of things when the video was created, and the reference to 'time' may coincide with the earlier "take your time..." or whatever it was. In short, I don't really know much about this at all but I'm content to waffle on as if I do and propose the players as the supposedly neutral 'jury' in the game.

The Prison City - again, no sound?
A lot of research has been done into the position of the Prison City. At the time of posting, I believe Boston and Plymouth were up as candidates; I trust that the extensive research of those presumably closer to the City than myself will unearth it in time. What concerns me is the reference to the city as a 'possessive woman'; I'd do more research into Boston and Plymouth, but I'm sleepy and now going to bed.

Of course, all of this is mere conjecture, and should be taken as such; I've probably missed something, having only read through this topic quickly once, and hope that others can expand upon -- or completely debunk (as that implies further evidence, albeit to the contrary) -- what I've assembled here.

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:16 am
Tresbien
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Welcome Tarq. I had the same question you did about the cast of players and sent this message to Songwraith:
 Quote: I'm a bit confused about the last video as its meaning changes depending upon how it's punctuated. Would you please tell me if this is correct? Welcome to The Echelon. It is time to know your cast of players: The Founder, a man of eternal sorrow; The Hanged Bride, a witch of Monaco; the pride: the child twice murdered; The Jurors--time may prove their innocence; the prison city; a possessive woman dressed as the town (?). Now that you know them, they will haunt you.

Also did the same research as yours on the witch of Monaco and am intrigued by the Grimaldi curse.

No doubt the sounds are important since they were added in. The water sound could relate to wraiths, which sometimes arise out of water. By the way, this is where you'll find the Germany reference: http://www.youtube.com/user/songwraith

I'm leaning toward The Jurors being those who judged The Hanged Bride not us. I suspect our characters are original not the exact same literary characters.

When you google Massachusetts + prison city, there aren't any results. The closest named prison city I could find to Pavoreax's location is Auburn, NY.

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:59 am
karlosuk
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Hey guys

Been a long time since I've had time to come here but I'm back for this.

I've sent a message to Songwraith as I'm in the UK asking the location to Prison City.
Here's my response from him :

"Only the dead can travel the way of Hervagault"

This sounds to me like you guys that have received locations are the "dead" or the "future dead". If thats the case, then the timing on the locations could be the time it takes for whatever the killer is (virus etc) to reach you. This would tie in with what locations we have so far, with the TX locations being 25-26d and the NY and VA ones being 5-7d.
This would then have a point of origin near Mendon.

Going to look into Hervagault now.... that bored at work

Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:42 am
Pavoreax
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Assuming we are in the ballpark with the Prison City being located in the Massachusetts area, one would have to travel across the Atlantic to get there from the UK. Perhaps that is the meaning of "the way of Hervagault"

I'm not sure if it's relevant, but here are Hervagault's Breakers:

 Quote: 14. HERVAGAULT'S BREAKERS.— On the 12th of May, 1827, Captain Maxwell of the ship Home, on his passage from Liverpool to New York, fell in with three sunken rocks, with a tremendous sea breaking on them, apparently from 4 to 6 feet under the surface, in lat, 41° 2' N., and long. 49° 23' W., and about 30 feet in circumference ; the last of them tailed off to the N.E. with a long ledge. Winds, at the time, W.S.W. ; ship's head N.W., going 7 1/2 knots per hour. Captain Maxwell says, " The chronometer I have with me can be depended upon to one mile, and the latitude and longitude I have given is correct." This shoal is the Hervagault's Breakers of the French charts In 1816, it was seen by Captain Lourp, of the brig Alexander Savage, who places it in latitude 41° 6' 23" N., and longitude, by dead reckoning, 49° 57' W.

That's from a book called The Atlantic Navigator, which appears to be a journal of an expedition from 1854.

Also, here's an article from the NY Times from Feb 14, 1915 about a ship that was going to be exploring the Atlantic looking for Hergavault's Breakers: NY Times Article its too long to transcribe here, but the relevant part starts at the bottom of the third column on page 2.

Also, from Edinburgh Journal of Natural and Geographical Sciences (date unknown):
 Quote: Rochs in the Atlantic It was found lately, by a vessel coming to England from America, when passing over the supposed situation of some rocks, called " Hervagault's breakers," that the thermometer indicated a decrease of 13° in the temperature of the sea. Previous to this, it had been steady at 72° ; and, on passing to the N. E., it again rose to the same temperature. Unfortunately, no soundings were tried for, as no change was observed in the natural blue colour of the sea. An incident of this nature might add to the probability of the existence of these rocks, if it were not for the numerous ice islands which have been frequently seen in the part of the ocean where these dangers are supposed to lie. They have not been heard of since the year 1723, at which time they are reported to have been seen by M. Hervagault, on his way home from America, in the Conquerant of Nantes.* They are described by him as being about two hundred yards apart from each other ; that the sea broke over them in three different places, and between each that it appeared clear. M. Hervagault states also, that he passed between them.

You get the idea. Hervagault's Breaker's were probably actually large icebergs in the North Atlantic. More important is probably who named that area in the first place.

Interetsing story here (starts of p. 95) about Jean-Marie Hervagault, who claimed to be the lost Dauphin of France, but he does not appear to be the same figure as "M. Hervagault... in the Conquerant of Nantes."

I can't find much information on le Conquérant from Nantes or its commander, M. Hervagault. A lot of what I can find is in French. Maybe there is someone following who reads French and can get farther.[/quote][/url]
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