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AUZ505
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[BEIJING] The "11 by design" labyrinth
We need a map/choreo

The "11 by design" labyrinth: We need a map/choreography plan for an 11-circuit Ariadne's dance, so we can complete an 11 circuit labyrinth without drawing it on the ground. You guys can use the plan, too, if you want to do a synchronisation wherever you are! Mythopoeia, help us out!

BTW: Ariadne posted a 11-circuit labyrinth which has no 11 circuits!!??
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:11 pm
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Here's the section of chat where Eli miraculously makes the leap to the conclusion that we need a choreographed "dance" for synchronization:

 Quote: I believe we may also need a plan for completing an 11-circuit labyrinth without traditional string or chalk. Eli: Agreed so far. Since we cannot guarantee these will be appropriate locations for sport. It seems to me we may need the athletes to be capable of knowing the path. Without marking it. 11 circuits... Hmmm... And they have less than two weeks for that. I realize that is challening. Meihui, you up for that? Perhaps a map? It's just a question of remembering the paths - like with a 7-circuit one: 3 circuit from inside, then moving in, then the outermost circle, then in again ... A really, really big tarp? Human walls? A map that marks how many steps to take in each direction, and when to turn? EliHunt: That should be possible. Why can't you just draw it? A choreogrphy of sorts ? With paint or something? In that case, we wouldn't need any walls. Fencer, we don't know what is on that 40 stadia ring. Fencer: Depending on location, it might not be possible. True. definitely They might be able to draw it, but remember, there is a lot of security in Beijing for the games. There are locations that'll need investigating though. Or draw a huge labyrinth on a HUGE scroll liek the one they used for the opening ceremony and bring it along ... Can anyone help prepare a map for the travelers? Canzonett: NOW you're talking, sister. Brilliant idea Canzonett, could you help us w/ a map then? Eli: They'll raise suspicion, anyway Question - where is the Old Summer Palace? But HOW :p in Beijing A kind of "dance plan" or choreography for walking the labyrinth without being able to see it> Mr. Judkins, where is it? I don't know. http://labyrinth.ilmito.org/2007/12/labyrinth-old-summer-palace-beijing.html Ariadne's dance! Is it on the ring? The Labyrinthine Dance! ooh Crane dance? Aaaah...Getting interesting. Canzonett, Shad0 yes. like chapter 24? It does seem to bear some resemblance to what we know of that dance. A choreographed labyrinthine walk... And since we're on the matter of dance... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_notation Dance notation, excellent. Okay, I feel we have a plan here. mrjudkins[w], that's really cool... I wonder if it's 11 circuit International dance notation should work. Dance notation ... img I hope someone with dikaiosune strenghts is keeping track. We are continuing to think about who to separate as 5 and 1 We are choosing a location and an 11 circuit design it's just not fair... 5 and 1.. And someone will create Ariadne's dance perhaps when the time comes, someone will willingly choose to stay How apt... Hehe. Yes - keeping track Eli maybe the one is giving instructions to the 5, so they can dance the labyrinth? Thank you, Mr. Judkins. Okay, moving on.

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:36 pm
ariock
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Re: [BEIJING] The "11 by design" labyrinth
We need a map/choreo

 AUZ505 wrote: The "11 by design" labyrinth: We need a map/choreography plan for an 11-circuit Ariadne's dance, so we can complete an 11 circuit labyrinth without drawing it on the ground. You guys can use the plan, too, if you want to do a synchronisation wherever you are! Mythopoeia, help us out!

It seems to me the easiest way to do this would be to make the labyrinth rectangular. Just sketching it out on graph paper I got the following. Note that numbers are # of steps or tiles or some other uniform form of movement, and letters are Right or Left turns. S is start, and E is end. This assumes going inward from the outside.

S-
5-L-6-R-11-R-14-R-12-R-6-L-3-
L-9-L-18-L-20-L-17-L-7-L-1-
L-6-R-15-R-18-R-16-R-7-R-1-
R-6-L-14-L-16-L-13-L-6-R-3-
R-9-R-19-R-22-R-20-R-11-R-5-
R-6-L-10-L-12-L-9-L-5-
L-4-R-2-R-3-L-3-
L-6-L-8-L-5-L-1-
L-4-R-6-R-4-R-1-
R-3-L-4-L-4-R-3-
R-7-R-10-R-8-R-5-R-3-
E

I've put each circuit on a separate line for ease of double checking. Odd parts where the dancer is transitioning from one circuit to the next are included at the end of each circuit.

ETA: Canzonett already posted this with reversed directions HERE.
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:41 pm
Canzonett
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Re: [BEIJING] The "11 by design" labyrinth
We need a map/choreo

And here's the link to my sketches again:

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 3:23 pm
DavFlamerock
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Since this is definitely relevant, I'll add my personal labyrinth to the mix. I'll also keep investigating the Dance through my own experimentation.

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:19 am
Canzonett
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I guess I'll better repost what I wrote in the "Ring Unification" thread, since I also speculated about how to use music for memorizing the steps there.

OK - trying to convert that scheme into walking directions ... Please correct if I confused left and right somewhere!

Ariadne's Dance – left-running 11-circuit labyrinth for Beijing
Assumption: 1 step necessary to bridge one path

1st circuit
3 forward – left 5 – left 8 – left 10 – left 8 – left 3

2nd circuit
left 5 – right 4 – right 3

3rd circuit
left 1– left 4 – left 6 – left 5

4th circuit
right 1 – right 6 – right 8 – right 6 – right 3

5th circuit (innermost circuit)
right 3 – left 2 – left 5

6th circuit
right 5 – right 10 – right 12 – right 10 – right 6

7th circuit (outer circuit)
left 5 – left 11 – left 20 – left 22 – left 20 – left 9 – left 3

8th circuit
left 6 – right 14 – right 16 – right 14 – right 6

9th circuit
left 1 – left 7 – left 16 – left 18 – left 16- left 6

10th circuit
right 1 – right 7 – right 18 – right 20 – right 18 – right 9 – right 3

11th circuit
right 6 – left 12 – left 14 – left 12 – left 6 – right 5 or more ...

How to memorize this?
MUSIC?
left and right = scales going up and down (at least the first steps of a note group should go up or to to signify the direction clearly!)
number of steps = number of short notes in a group, which ends with a fermata or longer note so the runner knows when to stop

And we would need a text with an adequate number of syllables corresponding to that music ...

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:55 am
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I've started compiling a song to memorize the number of steps necessary for the labyrinth's path. Additions welcome. One syllable equals one step.

EDIT, 11:14 PM: Done! First draft of the lyrics is finished.

Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:45 pm
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Sent my lyrics to Eli this morning and asked him about his opinion regarding some of our questions.

 Quote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Canzonett wrote: > Eli, > > thank you once again for guiding us through the inspiring chat session > on Sunday (or rather: Monday) night. Since then, I have been working > on a formalized labyinth pattern and thinking about a method how to > memorize the number of steps and the directions of the turns which the > dancer is to take. A song seems the best idea: The number of syllables > used in its lyrics could indicate the number of steps, the moves of > its melody the directions. Enclosed you will find a proof of how such > a song's lyrics might look like. To decide whether this text indeed > can be the basis of our final dance song, however, I am so bold to ask > for your advice and expertise again. > > I am in doubt regarding the direction and orientation of the labyrinth > and its runner. Is it preferable to use a left- or a right-running > labyrinth for this purpose? And - most important - how is the dancer > to use the path? Is this labyrinth to be run like an Olympic or > training labyrinth (start at the centre, move to the exit), like most > of the omphalabyrinths (start outside, end at the centre) or like a > personal training labyrinth (from outside in and back again)? Toria's > success four years ago seems to indicate the latter option. On the > other hand, or chat speculations seems to point another way: If it's > the dancer who is to remain in our world, how could her/his > synchronisation with her/his parallel selves possibly help to bring > the others home? Since the opening function of Ariadne's dance appears > to have some analogies to opening a door (or rather: multiversal > portal), I have decided to use a single centre -> exit movement for > this first draft. Do you consider this the most promising option, or > ar there important arguments against it from your point of view? > > Grateful, as ever, for your precious advice, > Canzonett

 Quote: Hello Canzonett, Thank you for this marvelous plan! I am certain this will work perfectly for the allies in Beijing. Now we simply need to find a suitable location 40 stadia from the National Stadium. All recommendations are welcome. I am not at all certain, however, that the 11-circuit labyrinth is meant to be an individual synchronisation. To the contrary, Ariadne's dance has always been described as a mass activity. I think all of the allies intend to perform this labyrinth together, as soon as possible after arriving in Beijing. It seems more of a lynchpin than a portal. The Toria question remains unresolved. Sincerely yours, Eli Hunt

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:26 am
mr.judkins
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Well done Canzonette! That's brilliant!

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:46 am
jasper
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Does anyone thing they might need to do this blindfolded? I'm just thinking of the pottery shard image that shows more than one blindfolded athlete running together. http://olympics.wikibruce.com/Image:Pyronshard.jpg#file

Also, does the 5+1 question belong in this discussion if the team of 6 will be doing this together?

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:33 am
Canzonett
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Since this is supposed to be a "mass activity", as Eli pointed out, I think the dancers will need all their senses (including their vision) to stay coordinated when there are several persons in one spot dancing the labyrinth together. However, using a symbolical blindfold, as "Parallel Dav" suggested, sounds like a great idea and would honour the long tradition of the lost sport.

On the other hand, I'm in doubt regarding other parts of information "our" Dav received from his parallel self. Is Ariadne's Dance really to be run? Is speed decisive for its success? The dance certainly won't be as meditative an actitivy as a personal labyrinth walk, but our aim here is not to "run" this labyrinth in world record time, is it? I picture a (maybe varying, accelerating?) speed somewhere in the broad range presented in the Sirtaki scene at the end of Zorba the Greek.

Another thought: If the artistic quality of the dance is to play a roll, a special dance step might be a good idea as well. Ideas? (I'm not a dancer at all. None of my parallel selves is ...)

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:13 pm
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Each time Eli answers an email, I just get more and more confused because he's always telling us what something is NOT and not what anything IS.

bleah.

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:48 pm
Canzonett
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 danteIL wrote: Is anybody else as confused as I am about Ariadne'sdance/synchronization/multiversoolympics/onerunner/olympicteams/flares/thewall/5/1/labyrinths/running/dancing/?? Each time Eli answers an email, I just get more and more confused because he's always telling us what something is NOT and not what anything IS.

What's so confusing, I think, is that we still don't understand the function of some of the dance. Why do we need it? It must be connected to the flare somehow, if I understand chapter 24-2 of the codex correctly, but what exactly does it do? Prepare us for the flare?

I've tried to analyse the dance labyrinth a little more thoroughly. The things you can do with a word processor are amazing - even though I don't think its table formatting options were meant to be used for drawing labyrinth schemes. Boy, this WAS complicated ...

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:57 pm
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Yes, the function of everything is incredibly uncertain. More than that, though, what is the relative timing of these events????

From Eli's email, he says that they are going to dance through the 11-circuit labyrinth as soon as they get to Beijing (next Tues?). Apparently, this creates some kind of navigation beacon thingie. So that's going to happen first.

Then, the Multiverso Olympics take place the morning of Aug 23/24th, right?? Yay, that saves the world. \O/

But, the final sending-them-home ceremony takes place during the Closing Ceremonies, the evening of the 24th. Somehow, this involves: a) 5+1 b) flares c) waves. And possibly massive memory loss.

One confusing thing of the Lost Ring message is that it didn't make a clear distinction between the "11 by design" and the "5 and 1" parts. I certainly thought they were the same thing.

Correct me on anything if I'm wrong.

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:09 pm
DavFlamerock
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Canzonett: Do let me clarify what I meant about running when I explained that to myself (lol that's so fun to say).

I didn't mean like run it as fast as you can, but I did mean that it shouldn't be walked. I guess the proper verb here would be that you have to dance it through... but the dance is more like a trot/jog than a walk or a run. Maybe I should videotape me doing it. I did try it--and it does work well. Surprisingly well. I didn't even have a labyrinth drawn beneath me. But while you're right, it's not run, it is certainly not walked either. Is this making sense?

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:14 pm
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