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aliendial
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 		Terrific, Wynn.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:43 pm
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Tomb
Nice job Wynn, I went down the same path but misaligned some letters and couldn't get a reasonable anagram out. However, looking further, I think it's possible that there is a mistake in the yo-yo trick diagrams. Google led me to the discovery that hieroglyphs can be read right to left or left to right. The direction that animals are facing gives you the orientation. In the picture the bird is facing left indicating it should be read from right to left. Taking the intersection of letters from each puzzle and replacing the diagrams with the letters they contribute we get ...

T S MI I F
N OT R N E

that first line read right to left looks an awful lot like "FIRST" but the blank spot should be on the top row instead of the bottom. If you make that change, and move the middle to the first position then the letters fall out in the order that you encounter them in the phrase "FIRST MENTION" ...

T S R I F
N OT N E MI

Perhaps I'm just seeing patterns that aren't there though.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:01 pm
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 		I think you're exactly right. There appears to be an error in the order of the glyphs, and that is the intended order of the letters. It's an ugly ambiguous anagram, so I'm glad there was supposed to be an actual ordering. It's still not perfect but it would get you to the right phrase.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:47 pm
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 		Mural
My attempt at explaining the Mural puzzle ...

The puzzle clearly indicates that dates are somehow significant "PEOPLE AND DATES WITH LASTING EFFECT". The complication I ran into were that dates attributed to the inventions shown are very sketchy in many cases. When I decided to take the first date associated with the invention or underlying principle behind each item I came up with this (quotes taken from web references found with Google):

Eli Whitney - cotton gin - 1793 - "Whitney produced the first crude model of his gin in 1793"

Humphrey Davy - electric lamp - 1801 - "In 1801 Sir Humphry Davy, an English chemist, made platinum strips glow by passing an electric current through them"

James Watt - steam engine - 1764 - "Watt’s work with the steam engine began in 1764, when he was requested to repair a Newcomen steam engine used at the university."

Benjamin Franklin - lightning rod - 1747 - "In 1747 Franklin began his experiments in electricity with a simple apparatus that he received from a friend in England."

George Louis Lesage - telegraph - 1774 - "The first telegraph was demonstrated in Geneva, Switzerland in 1774 by George Louis Lesage."

Louis Pasteur - pasteurized milk - 1856 - ".. in 1856 .. Pasteur’s experiments on bacteria began, resulting in the process that still bears his name (pasteurization)."

George Stephenson - locomotive - 1814 - "Stephenson designed his first locomotive in 1814"

Guglielmo Marconi - radio - 1895 - "late in the summer of 1895, Guglielmo Marconi made the first tentative wireless transmissions"

Alexander Graham Bell - telephone - 1876 - "until 1876, when Alexander Graham Bell placed the first phone call."

Cyrus McCormick - reaper - 1831 - "By the end of the same 1831 harvest, Cyrus had the first successful demonstration of his reaper."

Thomas Edison - phonograph - 1877 - "August 12, 1877, is the date popularly given for Thomas Alva Edison's completion of the model for the first phonograph,"

I'll be the first to say that the date attributed to Benjamin Franklin seems to be a stretch given that the picture appears to be a lightning rod which he did not invent for many more years.


Now, taking the last digit of each year as an index into the inventors name we get:

I HEIR PRINCE

Triton could indeed be called the heir prince of Poseidon (depicted in the 3rd image with the matching key symbol from this puzzle).

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:36 am
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 		Re: Mural
InsaneProdigy wrote:
My attempt at explaining the Mural puzzle ...

The puzzle clearly indicates that dates are somehow significant "PEOPLE AND DATES WITH LASTING EFFECT". The complication I ran into were that dates attributed to the inventions shown are very sketchy in many cases. When I decided to take the first date associated with the invention or underlying principle behind each item I came up with this (quotes taken from web references found with Google):

Eli Whitney - cotton gin - 1793 - "Whitney produced the first crude model of his gin in 1793"

Humphrey Davy - electric lamp - 1801 - "In 1801 Sir Humphry Davy, an English chemist, made platinum strips glow by passing an electric current through them"

James Watt - steam engine - 1764 - "Watt’s work with the steam engine began in 1764, when he was requested to repair a Newcomen steam engine used at the university."

Benjamin Franklin - lightning rod - 1747 - "In 1747 Franklin began his experiments in electricity with a simple apparatus that he received from a friend in England."

George Louis Lesage - telegraph - 1774 - "The first telegraph was demonstrated in Geneva, Switzerland in 1774 by George Louis Lesage."

Louis Pasteur - pasteurized milk - 1856 - ".. in 1856 .. Pasteur’s experiments on bacteria began, resulting in the process that still bears his name (pasteurization)."

George Stephenson - locomotive - 1814 - "Stephenson designed his first locomotive in 1814"

Guglielmo Marconi - radio - 1895 - "late in the summer of 1895, Guglielmo Marconi made the first tentative wireless transmissions"

Alexander Graham Bell - telephone - 1876 - "until 1876, when Alexander Graham Bell placed the first phone call."

Cyrus McCormick - reaper - 1831 - "By the end of the same 1831 harvest, Cyrus had the first successful demonstration of his reaper."

Thomas Edison - phonograph - 1877 - "August 12, 1877, is the date popularly given for Thomas Alva Edison's completion of the model for the first phonograph,"

I'll be the first to say that the date attributed to Benjamin Franklin seems to be a stretch given that the picture appears to be a lightning rod which he did not invent for many more years.


Now, taking the last digit of each year as an index into the inventors name we get:

I HEIR PRINCE

Triton could indeed be called the heir prince of Poseidon (depicted in the 3rd image with the matching key symbol from this puzzle).


That actually makes sense, although I wonder if they're going for 1794 on the cotton gin, which gives us THEIR PRINCE (for whatever reason).

At any rate, good work! I fully believe that there's a sensible solution path to all of these puzzles.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:38 am
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 		Ha! What the heck. Maybe someday we'll find out for sure.

Oh, and guys, no need to quote the entire post, esp. when it's the one right before yours. Takes up a lot of space.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:08 pm
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 		1797, surely?

This does fit in with the 'dates with LASTing effect' i.e. use an effect of the last digit of the dates on the people.
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 		Composers
I've added Musipedia search strings, midi files and a list of songs that have been identified so far in the Composers puzzle on the wiki site. If anyone thinks they can identify any of the remaining songs have at it. It's still bothering me that no one has figured out how this puzzle is actually meant to be solved.

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