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#130 [Ivy] Aibohphobia
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Magma
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#130 [Ivy] Aibohphobia

Quote:
Aziza: "Good day!"
Bob: "I know."
Aziza: "Really? How strange that you should think so."
Bob: "I thought it was self evident."
Aziza: "Hmm. I suppose you are right."
Bob: "Anyway, I finished the Hofstadter book you lent me, 'Godel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid'. An exceptional read."
Aziza: "Ah, excellent! I knew you would like it."
Bob: "Yes - oh, I also especially liked that new section on orizabus subaziro."
Aziza: "Oh, I agree! I say, this all reminds me of a peculiar classical piece, but I can't recall it at all. Well, we'd better swap over out books, shouldn't we?"

(This next passage is upside-down - the last lines of both sections loop over each other in the middle)

Bob: "Good day!"
Aziza: "I know."
Bob: "Really? How strange that you should think so."
Aziza: "I thought it was self evident."
Bob: "Hmm. I suppose you are right."
Aziza: "Anyway, I finished the Gebstadter book you lent me, 'Copper, Silver, Gold: an Indestructible Metallic Alloy'. An exceptional read."
Bob: "Ah, excellent! I knew you would like it."
Aziza: "Yes - oh, I also especially liked that new section on subaziro orizabus."
Bob: "I agree completely. I say, this all reminds me of a peculiar biological molecule. Well, we'd better swap over out books, shouldn't we?"

Reverse of card:

Lang Stadium
Home to the Perplex City Privateers, the Lang stadium is also able to host other football teams within the city due to the robust genetically-engineered grass used on its pitch. With a maximum capacity of 100,000 in th emain stadium, plus thousands more in the surrounding Arc complex, the Lang Stadium has proved to be a favourite among Perplex City sports fans.


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It seems "Gebstadter" is a fictitious author who always has a similar fictitious book, mentioned in Hofstadter's real books. The name comes from the first letters of Godel, Escher, Bach, combined with his own name. Orizabus Subaziro is a type of scarab beetle. Aibohphobia is apparently a fear of palindromes...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:34 pm
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GasparLewis nli
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Well, a little research into what the obvious theme of the card is brought to this page, which makes me fairly sure, card or not, that:

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The first half, the classical piece, would be the "Crab Canon".


After that, I'm not quite sure, but my guess would be:

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a molecule whose name, structure, or formula is the same forwards or backwards would finsih out the card.


Very Happy

PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:34 pm
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addybobble
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Hi, I concur with the first one: it looks spot on. tried the following palindromic molecular references to no avail, and I can't think of any others at the moment:

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GLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCYLGLYCINE

CINENIC

NORURON (Had high hopes on that one)



Guess there are a potentially inifinite number of DNA sequences to choose from Wink

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Magma
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Tried and failed:

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Crab Canon

Hairpin

(A hairpin is a palindromic sequence of DNA that can fold back on itself and bind)



EDIT: Solved Doh Bang Head

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Crab Canon

DNA


PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:34 am
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Austin
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I preferred

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Tobacco Mosaic Virus


but I did save one more attempt for today.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:23 pm
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addybobble
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Rats! Locked until tomorrow morning. Can't believe I stumbled on the answer and didn't try it.

Oh well, guess there are a few dozen 'firsts' up for grabs ...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:34 pm
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Carma1313
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Can someone please explain to me where on earth you got
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crab canon and DNA
from... and whats the point of the reference to palindromes if the answers are not palindromes themselves.

after looking up on it while writting this I have noticed the connections... however... they are exceptionally loose connections.. care to fill me in on how you arrived at it?

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Archimedea
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Crab Canon is a picture by Escher



and a piece of music by bach.

Goedel was a mathematician and programmer, famous for his use of logic and counter-proof as a method of proof.

These are all 'palindromic' in structure.


Very Happy Archimedea
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 5:29 am
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Magma
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Crab Canon is a musical piece arranged as a counterpoint - There are two lines of music, each identical but reading in opposite directions. Obviously you play these in one dirction only, but there is a certain palindromic nature to it.

DNA is similar, in that there are two strands of nucleotide sequences running antiarallel to each other. By convention one particular end is labelled 5' and the other labelled 3'. By the nature that these run antiparallel, if you were to read both strands at once, one would be going 5' to 3' and the other 3' to 5'. In nature, copying of DNA only tends to happen in the 5' to 3' direction (When DNA is replicated it does happen in the one direction on both strands, but there is a clever looping mechanism to get around the problem of one strand running in the wrong direction).

So the idea of this card is not exactly based on palindromes, but on complementary sequences running in opposed directions to each other. The Hofstadter book mentioned has a chapter called "Crab Canon" which is constructed like this, and indeed like the card. The second half runs opposed to the first, but is not identical.


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UKver2.0
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Classical piece should have been "In Girum Imus Nocte et Consumimur Igni" Neutral

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:25 am
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arcangel
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guesed the molecule when i read the card first time
found music searching, but thought it was a techniquie not a peice so dident enter it
Dunce
Bang Head

so close, fell at the finish line Sad

PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 5:37 pm
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almagest
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Note that two bits of text are in bold: peculiar classical piece, and biological molecule. Those are effectively the two questions you have to answer.
It helps if you have some familiarity with the book. The key bit is reproduced here:
http://www.barryland.com/canon.html


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