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inez
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take a look at this cypher
a litle help from my friends.

hey...

this is from a small time danish arg, a friend of mine is starting, and i really want to help him get the ball rolling... the sad thing is, we are all 1st timers and all stuck on this one.

Im confident that it is just a matter of lack of experience. so iw come before the oracle to tap in to the collective knowledge unfiction

 Spoiler (Rollover to View): €vΩμΔ↕Δ1, U ↕y? ^ΩSΩvxΩ 7T1S?ydrΩ €v1Ω?1, ↕y? U^, v1dr1v y↕ €vΩμΔ↕Δ€ΩSΔy^ DRΔy-^1S €y?7ty?ΩS1 7T[6Ωo1 y^1 Yψ? ΩT1^So `ΔΞ Δ^↕ΔvS?ΩS1 S[61 wyoS Δw7ty?SΩ^S o€Δ1^SΔ↕Δ€Ωv Δ^oSΔSψSΔy^o Δ^ ,1^wΩ?bg S[6Δo Δ^€vψ,1o ΩΞ y↕ S[61 wΩ

iw spent a hours grinding this kodet tekst through all the online tools i could find. and seeing as my beginners luck wont kick ind, im asking for some help or maybe just a hint?

if the use of this type of non-alphabetic letters meens anything to you, then ill appreciate the help (...and ofcouse post forward the credits)

vh inez

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:47 am
catherwood-offline
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Re: take a look at this cypher

 inez wrote: hey... if the use of this type of non-alphabetic letters meens anything to you, then ill appreciate the help

I wouldn't think there is anything special about using non-alphabetic characters -- just make a simple substitution back into alphabetic characters, then look for frequecies and patterns. Unfortunately, I assume the plain text is in Danish, and I know nothing about the language.

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:58 am
Agent Lex
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At first glance, I'd say it's a substitution cipher, just with non-alphabetic characters. For example, the sequence ↕y? appears quite a few times, and 4 times as a "word" on its own.

What language has the game primarily been in so far? English or Danish? (I'm guessing Danish, which means I can't be any help beyond that)

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:01 pm
inez
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thank you ... ill try some substitution. Think i might have been blinded in thinking it was more complexed than that:)

btw. there has been tekst in both Danish and English, but ill look it over my self...

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:24 pm
ndemeter
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I see Greek characters in there however they don't form any words at first glance.
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:30 pm
inez
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so...
Iw found a list of letter frequencies in the Danish language, and a tool to count the top 25 recurring words.... but with the text not using the a-z is my only option to find/count each symbol in a word.doc - or do anny one know of a symbol/letter counter?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:01 pm
Rogi Ocnorb
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Location: Where the cheese is free.

It's English.

Because they're substituting single letters in most cases, but double in others (all occurrences of "7T", "DR" and "[6", for instance), it may take a while to nail it down. Also, don't trust the punctuation. Commas are "D"s.

That said...
Is there a "Natalia Petrova" in this game?

Something about corporate espionage and agents infiltrating important scientific institutions, universities, and think-tanks in phase one and development of required technologies in phase two.

I didn't take it much further than that.

Well, except the "World domination" part of Phase 8.

ETA: Forgot to add that the MOST difficult part of this decode is that more than one of the letters in the cipher can represent a single letter in the decode.
Also, that some single characters in the cipher are 2 letters in the decode. (Like "Ξ" being "LL"
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:05 pm
inez
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OO oh no world domination!!! ...thank god were on to them.

hey great help - i was just logging back on, to tell that it was definitely not Danish. the frequency "swap" was a total mess

but Rogi -if i may ask?- how did you "see" it.
did you use something to scramble it a bit, or do you just recognize patterns?

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:48 pm
Rogi Ocnorb
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On ones like this, I usually go into Word or Writer and replace characters starting at the beginning with letters in a different font color.
so "€vΩμΔ↕Δ1" becomes "ABCDEFEG".

On something this large, where you run out of letters to substitute, I usually stop when I get to "Z" and work with just that bit to see possibilities.

Do a frequency analysis (Some day, I've gotta upload the newer version of that.) and start going at it.

If you're having trouble getting the substitutions to fall into place, I'd suggest trying various options under WebDecrypto/WinDecrypto.
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:02 pm
inez
Kilroy

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im done - thx for leaving something for me to figure out myself.

now ill go tell the rest of the "gang" that my international contact Rogi Ocnorb looked right through the kode, and revealed the devious Natalia Petrova.

thanks again Rogi (and the rest off you guys)

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:38 pm
Rogi Ocnorb
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I couldn't let it go, apparently.

(Had to figure out why they did some of the things they did in the code.
There are still a few things that don' t make perfect sense.)

Here's the sub key:
 Spoiler (Rollover to View): 0 1 2 U 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a Ω b § c € d , e 1 f ↕ g T h [6 i Δ j < k b l v m w n ^ o y p 7T q & comma % r ? s o t S u ψ v dr w ` x 5 y x z ] cc # ee * ll Ξ pp ~ ss μ tt ,9 . g

And the message:
 Spoiler (Rollover to View): CLASSIFIED 2 FOR NATALYA PETROVA CLEARED FOR 2ND LEVEL OF CLASSIFICATION VIO-NET CORPORATE PHASE ONE OUR AGENTS WILL INFILTRATE THE MOST IMPORTANT SCIENTIFICAL INSTITUTIONS IN DENMARK. THIS INCLUDES ALL OF THE MAJOR UNIVERSITIES, INSTITUTES AND THINK TANKS. YOUR DESIGNATED POST WILL BE LEAD RESEARCHER OF OUR RECENTLY CREATED STRATEZA FACILITY CONTROLLED THROUGH VIO-NET CORP. PHASE TWO WHILE WE DEVELOP THE REQUIRED TECHNOLOGY FOR THE CARBONEX DEVICE, AT STRATEZA, OUR AGENTS AT THE SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTIONS WILL GRADUALLY CONVINCE THE SCIENTISTS THERE THAT THE ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION TO THE CLIMATE PROBLEM IS SUCKING THE CO2 OUT OF THE ATMOSPHERE. THIS WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED PARTLY BY LEAKING FAKE SCIENTIFIC PAPERS AND PARTLY BY SABOTAGING ANY ATTEMPT TO FIND ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS. PHASE THREE ONCE WE HAVE GATHERED ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR OUR SOLUTION, WE WILL LAUNCH A CAMPAIGN PROMOTING THE CARBONEX DEVICE. IT IS ESTIMATED THAT PHASE THREE WILL BE IN PROGRESS ABOUT A MONTH BEFORE THE WORLD LEADERS MEET IN COPENHAGEN TO DISCUSS THE CLIMATE PROBLEM. PHASE FOUR DURING THE MEETING IN COPENHAGEN, OUR WORK IN PHASE ONE WILL ENSURE THAT THE DANISH EXPERTS ON THE FIELD, MANY OF WHOM ARE VIO-NET AGENTS BY THIS TIME, ALL SPEAK IN FAVOUR OF THE CARBONEX DEVICE. WE HAVE SIMILAR PLANS AROUND THE WORLD TO ENSURE THAT SCIENTISTS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES WILL ALSO APPROVE OF OUR DEVICE. OUR EMPLOYEES AT VIO-NET CORP. WILL PROPOSE A PLAN TO BUILD CARBONEX DEVICES ALL AROUND THE WORLD, PREFERABLY CLOSE TO MAJOR POPULATION AREAS. IT IS ESTIMATED THAT NONE OF THE WORLD LEADERS WILL OPPOSE. PHASE FIVE WITH FUNDS AND PERMITS GAINED FROM THE MEETING IN COPENHAGEN, WE WILL START CONSTRUCTION OF THE CARBONEX DEVICES. PHASE SIX ONCE THE DEVICES ARE COMPLETE, THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THE CARBONEX DEVICE WILL BE REVEALED. SINCE SOME MAY NOT BE CONVINCED THAT THE CARBON DRAINED FROM THE ATMOSPERE CAN BE USED TO CREATE THUNDERSTORMS, IT IS LIKELY THAT WE WILL HAVE TO UNLEASH THE POWER OF THE CARBONEX ON TWO OR THREE OF THE MAJOR CITIES. IT IS THEREFORE OUR PLAN TO USE THE CARBONEX AGAINST ALTANTIC CITY, NEW JERSEY AT THE BEGINNING OF PHASE SIX. THIS WILL ALSO BE A FINE OPPOTUNITY TO TEST THE MAGNITUDE OF THE STORMS CREATED BY THE CARBONEX DEVICE. PHASE SEVEN THE WORLD LEADERS WILL BE REQUIRED TO STEP DOWN OR FACE THUNDERSTORMS AROUND THE GLOBE. IT IS ESTIMATED THAT TWO TO FIVE OF THE MAJOR NATIONS WILL RESIST, BUT THIS OPPOSITION WILL QUICKLY BE QUELLED, USING THE CARBONEX AND OUR STANDBY ARMED FORCES. PHASE EIGHT WORLD DOMINATION.

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