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Varin
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 enaxor wrote: Using blocks of six, I came up with 36 combinations. The first 26 combos I used A-Z and then used 1-10 for the remaining combos.

Yours looks the same as what I got, but I used A-Z, 0-9 like Wishi did. Tried to work it as a cryptogram, but couldn't come up with anything.
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:40 pm
Geoff
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Just a thought...

Or, more specifically, this part:
 Quote: 26X2UL

Could that mean "26 times 2, upper/lower", as in the substitution uses a grand total of 52 possible letters, using all the uppercase and lowercase letters?

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:28 pm
Geoff
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Just another thought...

That would make sense with the rest of the line actually, as the VVVVVW and the WWVWVV refer to (in binary) 1 and 52. As in the values range from 1 to 52, covering the uppercase and lowercase letters.

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:30 pm
Caleb
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Finally ... decrypted!

After giving it some thought I decided that you guys were probably right about the cipher being polyalphabetic. I decrypted this by ignoring everything that didn't fit under 26. I substituted letters for combinations of Vs and Ws, then ran the string through a substitution cipher cracker. I looked for partial strings that fit with what I knew might be in the letter (ie. SEN5241). Once I found one I was able to work out the rest of the cipher by slowly filling in the gaps.

 Spoiler (Rollover to View): possible connection to sen five two four one inquiries increase monitoring on etg seven six nine zero continue sen five two four one hold status

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:47 pm
Wishi-san
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Good work Caleb!
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:54 am
abysmal
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yup! bravo! bravo! you get the malice stamp of approval. i'm glad someone got it, because i knew i was nowhere near beginging on that. ~__~

i'll be useful eventually! i swear!

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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:43 am
Stormalong
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Nice work Caleb. I've updated this thread to SOLVED.

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:19 am
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Yeah, but are we suppose to do anything with this info?
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:24 am
cpip
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You rock my world, Caleb.

Kona -- I'm not sure we've got anything to do just yet; it seems that we're mostly gathering info.

Then again, maybe we can get word to Sen? Or, alternately, slip ETG a warning now that he's being tracked. Raise his paranoia level. :p

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:50 am
S.D. Ryukage
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ETG is AnthraX, isn't it? ... unless we can e-mail ETG at subcitycentral (or statewellness). Hrm.

Alternately, anyone find any other IDs on the site? ... I'd be tempted to try validating SEN something or SEN+actualnumber if I didn't already have a code. [grins]

Edited to add (because I meant to post this too): Yay Caleb!
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:48 am
Caleb
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 S.D. Ryukage wrote: ETG is AnthraX, isn't it? ... unless we can e-mail ETG at subcitycentral (or statewellness). Hrm. Alternately, anyone find any other IDs on the site? ... I'd be tempted to try validating SEN something or SEN+actualnumber if I didn't already have a code. [grins] Edited to add (because I meant to post this too): Yay Caleb!

I tried SEN 5241 and ELC 3433 with no luck. I tried to validate the id TRI 9842 late last night. I was going to wait a day and then ask someone with an unregistered email address to try the same (see what happened when I tried to validate etg) in case it doesn't work, as I've already validated with my email address. The id was in a javascript file on sen5241.net.

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:05 pm
AnthraX101
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Nice job Caleb!

Yes, I registered with ETG7690. I tried etg7690 ice.hdllc.net, as that's where the message I got was sent. Bounced back however. It almost sounds like they want something specific from me. Not quite sure what to do next...

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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:30 pm
y2kbozo
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Dazed and confused!

I am confused by the coding for this message. Looking at the beginning of the message "possibleconn" below, using either V=0, W=1 or V=1, W=0 the "nn" is encoded by two different numbers (35,36 or 28,27). These are all above 26 so should fall into the same "alphabet". Depending on where you break the two alphabets (25 or 26) the "ss" also shows this.
 Code: p      o      s      s      i      b      l      e      c      o      n      n WVVVVV WVVVVW VWWVWV VWWVVW WVWWWV WWWWVV WVWVVV WWVWWV WWWVVW WVVVWV WVVVWW WVVWVV 100000 100001 011010 011001 101110 111100 101000 110110 111001 100010 100011 100100   32     33     26     25     46     60     40     54     57     34     35     36 011111 011110 100101 100110 010001 000011 010111 001001 000110 011101 011100 011011   31     30     37     38     17      3     23      9      6     29     28     27

The closest thing to a pattern that I can see is that if you use V=1, W=0 and subtract 26 from anything greater that 26 the encoding becomes:

a -> A or B
b -> C or D
c -> E or F
...
m -> Y or Z

then starts over

n -> A or B
o -> C or D
p -> E or F
...
z -> Y or Z

Great for encoding, but lousy for decoding. The choice of which letter is used does not seem to have a pattern. What am I missing? I feel somehow I am wildly overcomplicating this!

Caleb, did you get two consistant substitutions for the two alphabets (<=26 and >26)?

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:11 pm
Caleb
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Re: Dazed and confused!

 y2kbozo wrote: Great for encoding, but lousy for decoding. The choice of which letter is used does not seem to have a pattern. What am I missing? I feel somehow I am wildly overcomplicating this! Caleb, did you get two consistant substitutions for the two alphabets (<=26 and >26)?

I didn't pay attention to this while (it's not really necessary with the method I used) I was decoding but it seems there is a pattern and a simple one at that. With V as 1 and W as 0

000001(1) = a
000010(2) = a
000011(3) = b
000100(4) = b
000101(5) = c
000110(6) = c
...
...and so on...
...
101011(43) = v
101100(44) = v
...

For those who don't know, the string of 1s and 0s is the binary representation of the number in parenthesis. This pattern holds at least for every 'pair' of substitutions that I found. Here is the alphabet I used (I use a php script for decoding). Not all of the letters were duplicated in the message. The ones that were follow the pattern described above.

 Code: \$cp = str_replace("WWWWWV","a",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWWWVV","b",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWWVWV","c",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWWVVW","c",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWWVVV","d",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWVWWV","e",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWVWVW","e",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWVWVV","f",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWVVWW","f",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWVVVW","g",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WWVVVV","h",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVWWWV","i",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVWVVV","l",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVVWWW","l",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVVWWV","m",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVVWVV","n",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVVVWW","n",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVVVVW","o",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVVVWV","o",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("WVVVVV","p",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWWWVV","r",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWWVVW","s",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWWVWV","s",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWWVVV","t",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWVWWW","t",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWVWWV","u",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWVWVW","u",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWVVWW","v",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWVWVV","v",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VWVVWV","w",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VVWWWW","x",\$cp);       \$cp = str_replace("VVWWVV","z",\$cp);

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:46 pm
DM Corleone
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Decoding the 6-digit "VW" code

Here is my system for the latest VW message:

 Code: 1. Convert all the V's to 0's and the W's to 1's 2. Split the resulting string of binary into 6-digit "words" 3. Translate the 6-digit binary words into base 10 numbers. 4. The substitution goes like this:           z = 11 or 12           y = 13 or 14           . . .           a = 61 or 62

So, the first four letters of the solution are:
 Code: WVVVVV WVVVVW VWWVWV VWWVVW becomes: 100000 100001 011010 011001 becomes: 32     33     26     25 becomes: p      o      s      s

I got as far as the base-10 conversion and then got hung up on the numbers 32 and 33 (since 32 is simply in binary 100000, and 33 is just one above it). I also got hung up on the numbers 26 and 25, since 26 was mentioned in the header of the message, and 25 is simply one less.

Since both 5-digit VW messages worked the same, and since both of the 7-digit messages worked the same, it would seem that this system would work for all 6-digit messages.

Thanks again to Caleb for cracking the message.

-Don
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:41 pm
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