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Project Syzygy
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colin_
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partial solve....

qwn? wklv lv qrw d "wlph-zdvwhu." vhqwh.
nty? this is not a "time-waster." sente.
Code:

DGTMHSIKLECFPQRYBUVWJOZXNA
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz


PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:29 pm
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yanka
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se3_uk wrote:
btw, forgot to login before posting the marketing week stuff so i ended up as 'guest'

good luck with the hunt!


Huge thanks to you on behalf of all of us who spent half the day looking for Marketing Week Smile
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Semioclast
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Nice find. Get ready for an adventure!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:00 pm
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catherwood
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colin_ wrote:
partial solve....


how about a 100% solve?
Code:

QWN? WKLV LV QRW D "WLPH-ZDVWHU." VHQWH.
ntk? this is not a "time-waster." sente.

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
xyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvw

DEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZABC
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

ROT-23


PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:24 pm
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catherwood
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another BIT o' fun

and for the other bit, here is a transcription from the (un)mirrored image:
Code:
fdbe76347aa5b0251377256ad20e5a93
7d0db380a5b95a8ba1da0bca241abda1
d4805c5f8a2576cc4543250b30c324d0


and flipped back it reads:
Code:
39a5e02da6527731520b5aa74367ebdf
1adba142acb0ad1ab8a59b5a083bd0d7
0d423c03b0523454cc6752a8f5c5084d


PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 11:32 pm
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I have been trying a number of transforms: inverting bits, reversing bit ordering, reversing the individual hex characters, XOR'ing with a few obvious keys (sente, change, world, etc), modulus to normalize the bytes, etc. So far I haven't come up with anything conclusive. In case it may help or spark off a cool thought, here is the same data in raw binary:
Code:
11111011110111100111011000110100
01111010101001011011000000100101
00010011011101110010010101101010
11010010000011100101101010010011
01111101000011011011001110000000
10100101101110010101101010001011
10100001110110100000101111001010
00100100000110101011110110100001
11010100100000000101110001011111
10001010001001010111011011001100
01000101010000110010010100001011
00110000110000110010010011010000


48 bytes: some far above printable ASCII, some down below, in the control character bytes. Any thoughts? A few AnthraX101 and I kicked around include:
* It is raw file data -- I didn't see any "magic strings" to indicate a particular file type, but maybe it's something like image or zip data without headers
* It is encrypted with an unknown binary cipher and key. XOR is the obvious candidate for something like this.
* It is encoded or obfuscated in some way. For instance, modulus 128 to strip off the high bit or modulus 26 to bring it down to the alphabet.
* We're not dealing with bytes, but something smaller or larger (4-bit nibbles or multi-byte words)
Anyone have other thoughts? Anyone else want to help try out these possibilities?

If anyone wants to help collaborate on this, I'll gladly share my (haphazard, uncommented, badly written, bad-variable-named) Java code that was hastily written for MU and now reapplied to this, drop me a PM. There is no UI--you must tweak source code and compile.
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AnthraX101
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BriEnigma wrote:
* It is encrypted with an unknown binary cipher and key. XOR is the obvious candidate for something like this.


I've been working on this part for a while. I really doubt that it is XOR, it doesn't quite make sense. Doing regular cryptanalysis, it doesn't fit the main methods of breaking XOR. This could easily be due to the short file length though. It also contins many high characters. This means that either the key, or the message (but the amount of low characters means not both) must consist of non-printable characters. Possible, but unlikely.

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ntk? under a ROT-19 becomes jpg? Could this a reference to the mirrored text? If not then what is ntk?
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colin
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Slyfox wrote:
ntk? under a ROT-19 becomes jpg? Could this a reference to the mirrored text? If not then what is ntk?

some other people have suggested "need to know" or even "need the key"

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stuckindublin
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New to all this...

I've been reading the threads and you all have the jump on me. I only started this on Monday, reading through the jobs section of the media guardian, decoding was easy, but I think there is stuff you are missing.

I am trying to think laterally, and think you lot might be too hung up on technology. I've got a few questions. What is the picture in the bottom corner of the flash?

Then there is the Logo. Is this for Consumer Recreational Services - i remember them having very cool simplistic stationary in The Game, but can't remember anything else. Anyone got a copy on DVD to check that out. There's also a value missing from the series next to the Da Vinci code ( a 2 in the series). Also not sure why there is FFF next to Pattern Recognition - this should be the source - william gibson - or something specific (as masquerade was about chasing a hare- the rest are sources directors or characters). Being the only Gibson book I haven't read I wonder if it is a reference to a character I don't understand?

The other thing is the Flash applet took a really long time to download, over a modem, how can you find out if there is something hidden in there?

I've not played any of these games, got very excited by Majestic - until I read some reviews. Have been reading the archives for The Beast, which looks really good. I think this game might cross over from lets say the specially abled, into a more mass market. With this in mind, I don't think the clues are going to be that difficult, or that technically challenging. I think the thing that you missed is the ad in Marketing week. Which you now have. I sent a friend in the UK to buy it today, but with the ad off here I think I'll get closer, hopefully not using too much more time...


I am now working on it in a logical manner....
By the way:

I think the redirection business is simple you've got to follow a URL on a website, which is some way indicated by the text in marketing week. The early bits about redirection were simple, you were not chasing the right lead. I have a feeling you've all been trying to crack the second half (larger and harder) puzzle first.

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colin
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Re: New to all this...

stuckindublin wrote:

The other thing is the Flash applet took a really long time to download, over a modem, how can you find out if there is something hidden in there?


It took a long time because it had a sound file in it, you can find it on this page: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3790&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

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Raze
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Hello there. Just solved the problem in the Guardian, and as an ex-Cloudmaker I wound up here looking for some clues.

"NTK? THIS IS NOT A "TIME-WASTER." SENTE."

Thought I'd share my solve on this 'extra' text in the Marketing Week ad. Basically, it's a retort at the Need To Know website (http://www.ntk.net) , who criticised Syzygy as a "time-waster", dated 5th March:

http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?b=02004-03-05&l=206#l

Easily found by searching for 'time-waster' on the www.ntk.net phrase search.

I'd say that ends that thread of the puzzle.

I'll be joining in as best as i can on the remaining parts. I think this is all probably a lot simpler than some people are making it, certainly with all the mathematical translation.

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geist1
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here some more from #syzygy


<geist> the cyptogram was not that hard so i would thought this would be round same level
<AdrianHon> This is harder
<AdrianHon> You can solve it though.
<AdrianHon> There's nothing wrong with the puzzle, it is perfectly solvable as it is
<Raze> What a small world it is.
<Raze> Here I am reading the Guardian for jobs and stumble on the puzzle.
<Raze> And being an ex-Cloudmaker, does that prejudice me from applying for a job? Smile
<Raze> That extra bit of code in the marketing week ad is a slight at NTK.net, for calling syzygy a "time-waster"
<Raze> if that hadn't already been solved
<Raze> http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?b=02004-03-05&l=206#l
<colin> no it hadn't
<AdrianHon> I think it is worth repeating that you should ignore the entire 2oc4o thing, including stuff about direction Smile
<AdrianHon> Let us say that the Marketing Week thing is self-contained
<colin> incidently, in the last ~24hrs google recored 158 new pages for "project syzygy"

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Slyfox
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Do we think that Syzygy might need it's own section on Uniforum yet or will we have to wait until it becomes "official?"
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epthesus
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Hi all,

I purchased Marketing Week this morning and was about to post a scan, but I see se3_uk beat me to it! Well done. Looks like the word is geting around since both se3_uk and I arrived here on an intrigue trail. Thanks for the welcome, will be loosing sleep with the rest of you over the future clues.

Epthesus

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