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ForeverMourn
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[PUZZLE] Pedigree Puzzle
Help Solve

04-03- 2007 The CM posted a video Response to Mary's video. "My Response To Eric's Sister"

The Video was clearly mocking Mary Taylor.

At the end of the video was the code "V qvqa'g fgneg guvf, ohg V jvyy raq vg." which translates to "I didn't start this, but I will end it."

Following the code was a Pedigree chart.

This Puzzle Is Still Unsolved.

By convention, circles in a pedigree represent females and squares represent males. A horizontal line between a circle and a square indicates a marriage or partnership; vertical lines indicate the children from the marriage or partnership. Slashes generally mean deceased.

"how much do we know about sue?"
Actually, we don't know anything about Sue. We got the clue, "Sue Hart See John" and we ran with Idea the girl in the video with Eric was named Sue. We did hear Eric say, "Hi, Sue, This is Eric. I know you're getting these messages." So We are assuming She=Sue.NOTHING HAS BEEN CONFIRMED THAT IS HER NAME OR WHO SHE IS. IT IS OUR SPECULATION ONLY! Nothing about the Sue-Eric-CM triangle is confirmed.
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:02 pm
Last edited by ForeverMourn on Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:16 am; edited 2 times in total
ForeverMourn
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Sorry for Double Posting, but I couldn't post below the attachment.

AtionSong wrote:

Look at the pedigree:

First, look at the three question marks:

 Code: (x) indicated deceased Dad2(x)------Mom2          Mom(x)----------Dad(x)                   |   |               |    |              |   Son(x)---Wife   |    |              |                   |    |              A------------------Man   C              |              B

First thing to note - B is shown as a line leading directly down from A, not as a line between A and Man... So either A spontaneously gave birth to a child on her own, or A and Man were married, and A had a child out of wedlock. This would be the "secret that could destroy this family" that Michael was talking about. (I think this has been mentioned before).

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:17 pm
AtionSong
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For the record, we need to find:
5 couples that are married (possibly 4)
2 of the couples with two children one must be a boy
3 deceased males
1 deceased female
1 unconnected male
1 possible love-child (?)

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:20 pm
BoBoCTiberius
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The unconnected male has to be CM. Who else could it be?

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:14 pm
AtionSong
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Here's a thought that occurs to me. Look at the people in the following post:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17209&start=211

Could any of these people be on the pedigree chart?

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:11 pm
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This is gonna be a loooong post, lol.

I'd like start off saying that when you read this, keep an open mind. This game is proving the idea that anything is possible within the story, no matter how dark or taboo or twisted or unconventional it may seem to certain people.

So I had a lot of time today to sit and think about possible theories that could apply to solving the Pedigree Puzzle...I drew countless pedigree charts on paper today, sitting and brainstorming about what possibilities I could come up with. Some were good, some not so good. But a couple of things stuck with me throughout the day...

Going back to the CM's last video...anyone else think it was rather bizarre to add hippies and nudists into his video reply? I certainly did. To me, it was just plain weird. Why hippies and nudists, of all ways to reply?

You know the CM never puts in random stuff like that just for the hell of it. There is ALWAYS a reason behind it.

And then an idea dawned on me. It could quite possibly be a clue to us solving the mystery of the pedigree chart.

I started researching hippies and their way of living once I got home. I found some interesting reads at these two places: http://www.hippy.com/article-87.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie

I found some interesting information on Wikipedia about hippies and their way of living. As everyone knows, the hippie's outlooks on life were to free themselves of society's restrictions and to choose their own way and find their own meaning in life. They believed in the whole "love & peace" thing. They dressed funny. They didn't shower. They participated in all sorts of political demonstrations.They did just about every single drug known to man. They traveled everywhere in their VW buses covered in flowers and peace signs spreading their way of life through song and literature. And they lived in communes.

How does this apply to the pedigree, you may ask?

I kept reading the Wiki article, and they conveniently had a little section that described hippies and their views on love and sexuality:

 Quote: Hippies regularly flouted societal prohibitions against interracial dating and marriage. They were early advocates for the repeal of anti-miscegenation laws that the Supreme Court of the United States declared unconstitutional in 1967 (Loving v. Virginia), but which remained on the books in some U.S. states until 2000, albeit unenforced. With their emphasis on Free Love, hippies promoted many of the same counterculture beliefs that found early expression in the Beat Generation. Co-habitation among unmarried couples was the norm, open relationships were common, and both Beats and Hippies advocated for legal and societal acceptance of most forms of consensual sexual expression among adults. With regard to homosexuality and bisexuality, the Beats had demonstrated early tolerance during an era when homosexual expression of any sort was still punishable by stiff prison sentences. Hippies generally espoused the same tolerant attitude. Hippies, as in the movie Woodstock, were casual about open nudity.

Now this may be VERY out there, but i'm going to give it a shot, and see what happens...

I believe the idea of hippie ways of living plays a role within this story. Or maybe even life in a commune. Or maybe even just the hippie lifestyle in general.

Now you may think it's crazy. But I think it may just play some sort of role. And here is a crazy idea that I had.

In the Wiki article on love and sexuality beliefs of hippies, it stated that hippies commonly had open relationships between them, their spouse, and other people. Meaning that the man and woman could have a relationship between themselves, but they were also allowed to have relationships (physical or emotional or both at once) with other people at the same time.

I believe this could somehow apply to the story. And to the pedigree chart.

Notice how on the pedigree, the bottom left square is only linked to the question mark by an arrow. A marriage link is a straight line and directly connected horizontally. This however is not; it is signifying that the square and question mark are both linked but not directly as in marriage. So could this signify a seperate "romantic" relationship? I believe so at least.

Now here's where I get a bit deeper into it. And here's a possibility I came up with.

1) What if the Taylors had...hippie beliefs on such subjects? I'm not saying the whole family went and smoked cannibus everyday and put flowers in their hair or whatever. But I view it like this...maybe Michael and Linda were into the whole hippie life back when they were young adults. And maybe as time progressed they decided it wasn't right for them, and decided to return to a conventional way of life and start a family. However it doesn't mean that they necessarily forgot their roots. Maybe Eric and Mary adapted some of the beliefs their parents once believed in. Maybe that is what Eric believed when he got into a relationship with Sue...that open relationships were not bad according to his beliefs. Thus the CM, being the highly religious being he is, find this unholy and against the word of God and such and feels the urge to codemn Eric and Sue of their sins himself.

Michael Taylor said in his letter to Andrew that he "wanted to tell us the truth but the investigators told him it'd be best not to tell us because it might scare us off". Now I think that his deep secret somehow ties in with this. It doesn't have to be EXACTLY as I said...maybe bits and pieces of it tie in, but I do believe it ties in somehow with the idea behind my theory.

Feel free to disagree or agree however much you want. Feel free to pull ideas from this to make your own theories, add your own opinion, whatever! I do enjoy feedback though.

Ok, so now for my self made charts. I went through ALL of the sketches I made of pedigree charts at work today. Believe me, there were tons, and now that I look back on them, most just don't make any sense, lol.

There are 15 people on this chart all together, including circles, squares, and question marks. There are 4 crossed out people on the chart, believed to be deceased. I kept this in mind while making my chart, and I think everyone else should as well.

Here is what I have come up with so far that seems most logical (SCROLL DOWN AND CLICK ON IMAGE).

1) As you can see, to the left are the Taylors. Eric is linked by arrow to Sue Hart, who I linked to what I think makes sense to put there...John ("Sue Hart see John"). The phrase to me means that Sue Hart is seeing John, as in marriage. When you apply it to the pedigree, it makes sense. Eric and Sue are having an affair while she is married. The CM is the green box.

2) As you can see, to the left are the Taylors. Eric is linked by arrow to Sue Hart, who I linked to the CM. This supports the whole Eric-Sue-CM love triangle which I still have faith in. Eric and Sue are having an affair while she is married to the CM.

If I have anymore pedigree theories that seem logical, i'll post them.

Phew, that took FOREVER, lol. Hope to get some feedback on it. *crosses fingers*
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:16 pm
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excellent summer, but if you'll excuse my ignorance, who is john? ir did i miss something somewhere?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:16 am
busboy207
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I think we need to have someone contact Michael Taylor to get a family chart for his family. Not push the issue to have names and such of other family members, as it seems they don't want too much out there on front street, but at least a layout of family members that are current. This might help with us understanding the chart a bit more. The nephew mentioned in Mary's tape has thrown a few off, (myself included). I was going to do this, but the finderic site won't let me log in on the forums. Anyone else wanna try?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:24 am
Wabonan
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Just got a reply from the CM
 Quote: Nope, sorry. wabonan wrote: > Man your cousin is hot.... BTW Pete I will not spill the beans...lol...

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:30 am
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Wabonan wrote:
Just got a reply from the CM
 Quote: Nope, sorry. wabonan wrote: > Man your cousin is hot.... BTW Pete I will not spill the beans...lol...

lol, you should try a Freudian approach "so, tell me about your mother..."

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:05 am
El Neil
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man that was a huge post, summer. and well done.

 Quote: They believed in the whole "love & peace" thing. They dressed funny. They didn't shower.

lol that bit was so funny.

i think a recurring theme with most people's pedigree ideas is that the top left of the three question marks is sue.

i still think that the "sue hart see john 8:32" clue means either:

sue hart, see 'john 8:32', which in the bible is "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free".

or

"sue (hearts) e" - as in "sue loves eric" - with the john 8:32 bit on the end.

we still dont know if sue hart is actually a person - it was the result of decoding tags (if i remember right) and could be an anagram or red herring.

neil

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:30 am
BoBoCTiberius
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Alright, summer, that was certainly something to read.

First of all, if your pedigree is like that, there's no way either can be right. Eric has a nephew, and therefore Mary HAS to have a child. Unless you think Mary is lying, which isn't at all out of the question.

As for your hippie theory, I don't agree with it, and I think you're really grasping at straws. I think the hippies were just a cheap shot at Mary. But, that doesn't mean you shouldn't follow up.

While I don't disagree with your theory, I think there might some things that merit a look into. I think the open relationship theory between the girl we think is the link to Eric and Deercot is very possible. Instead of her "cheating" on the CM like most people think, it could just be an open relationship, and what Eric has done has a sin could be something completely different.

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:17 am
ForeverMourn
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I honestly can't help but think the Hippies were mocking Mary. With the whole "Kumbuya" or whatever and the Hippies with the Canadian Potleaf flag. (I'm so not a Hippie tho, so I REALLY resent that.) But there is a possibility that the Pedigree could be a commune.

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:19 am
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there is one thing that I don't understand. Why is there a long straight line comming down from the second post into a question mark? What does that mean? And the hippy thing makes sense. It could be something though that Eric and Mary know nothing about. There was a child that was concived while in the commune and then it was put up for adoption. That experiance changed the way of thinking for Mr and Mrs Taylor so they went norm. Had Eric and Mary and moved on forgetting about the baby. But that brings me back to the question marks. The one question mark is linked to the box.. so it has to be female. Because it has another question mark comming down from it.
So the one question mark would be female, and the box with both parents decessed together had a child?.. what happened to the child? and what happened to the circle?.. why is it a question mark.. I am confusing myself so..
I hope this makes sense...

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:09 am
summerchild
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 BoBoCTiberius wrote: Alright, summer, that was certainly something to read. First of all, if your pedigree is like that, there's no way either can be right. Eric has a nephew, and therefore Mary HAS to have a child. Unless you think Mary is lying, which isn't at all out of the question. As for your hippie theory, I don't agree with it, and I think you're really grasping at straws. I think the hippies were just a cheap shot at Mary. But, that doesn't mean you shouldn't follow up. While I don't disagree with your theory, I think there might some things that merit a look into. I think the open relationship theory between the girl we think is the link to Eric and Deercot is very possible. Instead of her "cheating" on the CM like most people think, it could just be an open relationship, and what Eric has done has a sin could be something completely different.

Lol, it's fine, I was just thinking into it because I thought somehow maybe hippies or something to do with them tied into the overall story line.

Well I wouldn't doubt the idea that Mary is lying...I don't know, something seems funny to me about her. And someone mentioned earlier that the left half of the map is covered by the CM's mask, so where it's covered there could be a whole other part to the pedigree. But we should keep it in mind when we're trying out other possibilities.

Ok, maybe it was just me overanalyzing again, but I had a hunch earlier that there could be the possibility of inbreeding. But judging by the map, I have no idea, it doesn't look that way by the way they are connected. But who knows...

[quote=ForverMourn]I honestly can't help but think the Hippies were mocking Mary. With the whole "Kumbuya" or whatever and the Hippies with the Canadian Potleaf flag. (I'm so not a Hippie tho, so I REALLY resent that.) But there is a possibility that the Pedigree could be a commune.[/quote]

Yes, I was getting an idea about that too, Forever. I thought maybe the hippie thing referenced life in a commune.

HOLY CRAP, I just thought of something...

What if Eric's generation isn't on here? What if this is just a tree of the Taylor generation before him? Like Michael and Linda's generation?

Another thing I thought of...who exactly are Kate and Pete? Did we actually get confirmation that they were Andrew's wife and son? I can't remember at the moment if they were or not but someone can always correct me if I am wrong, lol.

I'll have to look into that after I get back from work today. I hope i'm not thinking way too much into this again. I bet it will confuse a lot of people, lol.
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