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LilPickle-Amplizine
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K, I think I know what we need to do...

Since there are always 4 tiles of each color, we have to arrange the 6 groups so that each color group has a position filled. Or more clearly, the dark blue group will have a top, left, right, and bottom. So we have to arrange each of the 2x2s so that all the colors never take the same position of any other tile in that color group.

Does that make sense?
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:35 pm
LilPickle-Amplizine
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So according to my theory (99% sure), the answer is

 Spoiler (Rollover to View): 12: no change 2: no change 4: 1/4 ccw 6: 1/2 8: 3/4 ccw (1/4 cw) 10: 1/4 ccw

Screenshot coming soon
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:42 pm
LilPickle-Amplizine
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K, I'm having trouble with domain name stuff right now, and I'm too lazy to make a new account with an image host, so please forgive the use of 1up as the image host.

Solve (99% sure)

The box thing applies for all the colors, unless I completely missed something.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:49 pm
ne0x
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What's been bothering me is that, as far as I can see, any of these theories produces four separate valid solutions. All you do is turn all the squares a quarter turn in the same direction.

Now, it could be that the puzzle designer didn't mind it being a little easier to solve; but if you were going to protect something with this, wouldn't you make it so only one of the combinations (of 4096, if my math is right) works??

Of course, if the puzzle designer were really devious, the clusters of squares might not have to be turned 90°... Or they might have to be turned in a particular order...
Or maybe I'm just being devious.

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:55 pm
LilPickle-Amplizine
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Yeah, I was just thinking there are four solutions too. But the fact that all the colors agree when you do it makes me think that still is the right way to go.

Or looking at it another way, there are 6 2x2s and 6 colors. There are 4 of each color and 4 tiles in each 2x2. Putting both of these facts together implies that a solution would involve 6 2x2s, one of each color. Now that is not possible to prove using formal logic, but it is the most likely.

I stick by any of the 4 solutions based off my earlier screenshot. If you twist each of the 6 a quarter turn in the same direction, and then do that three times, that makes the 4 solutions (if you were wondering).
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:01 pm
TheQuestion
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Does anything anywhere describe what we're expected to do with this, or is it a case of 'here, this does something, run with it!'

I'm all for figuring it out, but you can't know the answer until you know... TheQuestion.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:35 pm
steamer
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i may be barking up completely the wrong tree here but if this house is so old then perhaps the comment that Granier wrote his last novel there is not a reference to the painting itself but perhaps what is behind the mosaic if it is a secret door of some sort perhaps there will be some serious clues behind it.

if we could work out what may be behind the frame perhaps the puzzle may become easier to solve.

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:24 am
thalamus
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 LilPickle-Amplizine wrote: K, I'm having trouble with domain name stuff right now, and I'm too lazy to make a new account with an image host, so please forgive the use of 1up as the image host. Solve (99% sure) The box thing applies for all the colors, unless I completely missed something.

i like this idea - it's the only one i've seen that ties all of the boxes to each other, rather than just pairing them off.

i guess the only thing to work out is how to get this configuration with the least amout of uncle-waking turns...

have you sent it to scarlett ?

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:24 am
the3musketeers
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 TheQuestion wrote: I'm all for figuring it out, but you can't know the answer until you know... TheQuestion.

Time to get out the mice, then.

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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:47 am
rose
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http://www.scarlettkite.com/mosaic_full.jpg
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:04 pm
Mico
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 ne0x wrote: What's been bothering me is that, as far as I can see, any of these theories produces four separate valid solutions. All you do is turn all the squares a quarter turn in the same direction. ...

I like LilPickle's idea too - but to get around this 4-solutions problem, can you see any way of tieing it into the background chess-board motif to just produce 1 solution?

Edit: I can see that if you take the initial solution given then turn them all 1/4 anti-clockwise (to make the 12 o'clock block have the lightest blue at the top), then none of the square's colours appear to match with the background adjacent squares, but with the other 3 combinations at least 1 square matches an adjacent square in the background. This gives one unique solution. Does this makes sense ???

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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:33 pm
Reptile
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the pink fits with the pattern, the light blue fills a different slot and moves round anticlockwise.

as for the other two, i rotated them so the pink and blue fit. but it could be either way, so i would suggest to scarlett that which ever way turns the easiest because it would have been used before

EDIT : the two east and west ones with light blue could both be rotated 90 so the blue goes clockwise
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:54 am
thalamus
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 Mico wrote: I like LilPickle's idea too - but to get around this 4-solutions problem, can you see any way of tieing it into the background chess-board motif to just produce 1 solution?

maybe the idea isn't to tie them into the background, but to produce a solution that involves the fewest turns, as we don't want to wake the relatives.

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:46 am
Elydo
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Joined: 07 Aug 2006
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Location: Glasgow

We need scarlett to go see if there's some WD40 equivelent anywhere in the house.

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:42 am
Agent Lex
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As an idea, I thought that the novel Granier wrote at the lighthouse might contain clues/instructions so we're clearer on what we're doing. I've sent off an email to Violet, asking her to find it for us:

 Quote: Hi Violet, I was just wondering if you could find a certain book for us in the Library. Scarlett has come across a picture of the lighthouse where Anthony Granier wrote his novel "Lay Sorrowe to Rest" which might contain a secret compartment behind a puzzle. The problem is that we don't know exactly how to solve the puzzle, as there seems to be several possible solutions. We were thinking that there might be clues or instructions in the novel that would clear things up. Thank you very much! - Lex

Here's hoping.

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:49 am
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