Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Canterbury, Kent, UK
The solve I have had accepted on the ppc website is:
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Well done beano³ and Sarah!
Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:36 pm
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 119
Way beyond my ability to solve, this one - but I have had a go at it myself and managed to get a very crude partial translation that seems to match on a lot of key words. I know it's already been solved, but I felt that for a black card it would be such a waste to just fill in the answer without trying to see how the translation was arrived at in the first place. My previous experience in heiroglyphics consists mostly of writing my name back in school when I was 5, so I feel this approach is something that anyone who is unable to actually read hieroglyphics can attempt.
In my searching, I found an application called "JSesh" in which you can select heiroglyphs from categories and recreate the message on the card exactly.
It's a Java based program, so it runs on most platforms, including Windows! Something of a novelty in this game, I have noticed...
From there I found that the save files that the program made used the same notation of a searchable English-Ancient Egyptian dictionary, which had a lot of the individual words in its database. Using a combination of looking up the English words that I was trying to match in the translation, and searching for words containing individual hieroglyphs from the puzzle, I managed to fill in a lot of the blanks:
Like I said, I still only have a partial translation at the moment, and it reads like a conversation between Tarzan and the Incredible Hulk, but it's nice have a vague idea how the structure of the language works.
Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:49 pm
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 26
I am absolutely amazed and impressed by anyone who manager to transliterate and/or translate it. I ended up just checking here for some help and it turned out the answer was right in front of me the whole time
Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:31 pm
Joined: 02 Aug 2006 Posts: 43 Location: Ireland
Read through this entire thing as I didn't want to repeat someone else's post. I managed to transpose each glyph (Is that right?) using:
Managed to do the ENTIRE card before realising
1. I dont speak ancient Egyptian.
2. I dont speak Eyptian.
3. I can barely speak English.
4. I dont know ANYONE who speaks it.
So thank you all
Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:10 pm
It's amazing how the mind works (or, as is more often the case, doesn't!)
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So, I'm going along, trying to translate the signs, learning about all sorts of new things - like uniliteral, biliteral and triliteral hieroglyphs, the 'Manuel de Codage' and the 'Gardiner Sign List' - and eventually, I discover, among all the hieroglyphs with multiple, seemingly unrelated meanings (who knew a striped ball over a mouth could mean either 'with' or 'fall' - or, if followed by a spoon, a duck and a thinking guy, 'voice'?), a string of signs that has only one, non-abstract meaning: 'gardener'. Now HERE'S something I can work with! So, I start by googling 'ancient egypt gardener', and after a bit of scrolling, I find a promising reference to a book called "The Ancient Egyptians", by an author named J. Gardener Wilkinson. Aha, maybe it's not about a gardener, methinks, but a guy NAMED Gardener! (this thought brings back fond memories of 'Being There' and its hero, Chance the Gardener, a.k.a. Chauncey Gardner.) Anyway, so I do a bit more digging, and I realize that it's not, in fact, J. Gardener Wilkinson, but J. GARDNER Wilkinson! "What a stroke of luck", I think. "If they hadn't misspelled his name, I never would have found the poor sod!" Now I'm starting to feel the excitement; I'm getting close to the answer. Next, I surf over to that old standby - Wikipedia - and start reading up on 'JGar', as I like to call him. However, after reading his bio, something in my gut tells me this isn't the guy. There's far too much in there about topography and manners, and not enough about hieroglyphics. So, now I'm all discouraged again. Back to the drawing board. But I notice a link on the page called 'English Egyptologists', and on a whim, I decide to check it out. Turns out, there's a whole whack of 'em, and for some reason, I start looking for my buddy JGar on the list. Can't find him. What the heck? Oh yeah, he's not in the Gs, you dolt - his last name is 'Wilkinson'. But wait a sec, who's THIS? Some other guy named 'Gardiner'! Hmm. This is followed by at least another hour's worth of surfing and scrolling and linking and reading before I decide that I am, indeed, on the right track with this other guy. I start closing all the tens of thousands of windows I had opened during the course of my research, when suddenly, on one of the very first pages I had read, a title catches my eye: 'Gardiner's Sign List'. OMG! (Oh My Gard!) The answer had been staring me in the face for hours. I'd even used Gardiner's list to decypher the hieroglyph for 'gardener', but I had never made the connection until a series of unlikely errors (misspellings, mistaken identities and misalphabeticized last names) led me full circle, right back to where I'd started. That's my story. Goodnight.
Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:46 am
Joined: 28 Sep 2002 Posts: 3372 Location: Far Far Away. Nowhere Near You. Really.
Good on you!
Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:26 pm
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