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[Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann
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The First Speaker
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LOL We're being asked to solve the greatest maths problem of all time..Amazing, whats next?? Formulate a unified field theory of everything??

There must be a hidden puzzle in this.

Quote:
"If I were to awaken after having slept for a thousand years, my first question would be: Has the Riemann hypothesis been proven?".
from Hilbert (famous mathematician who set a list of maths problems at the start of the 20th century)
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It doesn't pose a question, which is very odd. Its puzzle MUST be hidden, as there isn't one on the card.
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not to be overly fatalistic, but the star at the bottom of the card does indicate that there's a $1,000,000 prize "upon solving this puzzle."

Obviously there are multiple ways to read that statement, but it seems the most sensible might be: "Upon solving the puzzle of card #238, that being the proof of the Riemann function, you will receive both 60 Perplex Points from us and 1,000,000 dollars from the Clay Math Institute."

I'm still curious, though, did Von ever text you back about this puzzle, JebJoya?

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I texted him as well, but no response. I don't think that that can be the puzzle, as other silver cards, like the Syzygy Cube, are worth more points, and are easier. I don't think it is the puzzle.
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The other day, I was going to suggest that the puzzle somehow related to the prime numbered cards--for instance, something in the title or wording of those cards. Now that someone has figured out the prime numbered cards are already used for the playing card symbols (presumably for the silver card, Shuffled, that looks like it uses a Solitaire cipher), I am not so sure--unless those cards are used for both puzzles. There are exactly 54 primes in our card set and there are 54 playing cards (52 cards + 2 jokers), so it's not likely a coincidence that it is perfect for the Solitaire cipher.
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I don't have the card, and I can't quite read the image of the equation.

Is it zeta of 's' or zeta of '8' that equals the sum?

If it were zeta of '8', then the answer would simply be 1/7, as for any positive integer x, it is 1/(x-1) (according to the Excel spreadsheet I just knocked up). Something tells me that it isn't that easy...
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It is a curvy S not an 8
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yeah, the s refers to a complex number of the form "p+qi" st i^2=-1

So, err, yeah, read my old post for some ramblings Smile

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Re: [Puzzle] Silver #238 Riemann

(As of 2004, the largest known prime was 7235733 digits long!)


It may be too simplistic for a silver but each number above is a prime could this be guiding us to use this to translate the text ?

maybe a long shot...will start working on it....
it could also be the key for the cypher
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[Spec]
OK using the numbers 7235733
did not produce anything meaningful....by taking 7th then 2 on then 3 on....

eg
7=be
2=by
3=number
5=for
7=13 (or if skipping numers aside)
3=are(theoretical)
3=number

does this make sense to anybody....
taking the first letter of the sentences...
7th=T
2nd=F
3rd=A
5th=H
7th=T
3rd=A
3rd=A
....think i'll lay down now as this makes no sense....maybe a key
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JebJoya wrote:
yeah, the s refers to a complex number of the form "p+qi" st i^2=-1

So, err, yeah, read my old post for some ramblings Smile

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i is my favourite number, ps and qs are just something i've got to mind
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FORGET IT - i was stupid
[strike]ok here we go:-

Quote:
For example, 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13 and 17 are all prime numbers


drop commas and spaces and we have2357111317 and
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just a quick thought. if this is worth perplex points when we give the perplexians or mindcandy the awncer and as its one of the greatest maths problems of all time how will they know the given awncer is wright?
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well my answer is junk so they wouldnt get far with that Smile
i'd feel a lot less silly if i thought before hitting that submit key
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