[kosmopol]

Yes people, this time I was too late and habve to gratulate everybody for awesome work!

The find thing about this update is: now we can follow a communication between two characters, which makes the story more vital. I wonder, how it is connected to Braegen14...

[Eleven72]

This is quite a good welcome home for me. =]

We must party.

[hiawassee]

SeekerX wrote:

Taking your print, I can show you what I meant with 6-8 sided. Mirrors are like pool billiard. In-angle is out-angle. Your in- and out-angle would be turquoise. But to match the situation, your mirror would need to be the red one. In my opinion, it just matches better. And that would be a strange shape for a room, wouldn't it?

Well my drawing was a very rough and crude estimate so I certainly wouldn't try to base any real angles off of it.

[Melodyman]

Heres the same frame from the trailer. but notice how its upside down from this new pic, yet it remains on the same side of the film. How does one do this? Is it just reversed up/down?

[SeekerX]

Taking your print, I can show you what I meant with 6-8 sided.
Mirrors are like pool billiard. In-angle is out-angle.
Your in- and out-angle would be turquoise. But to match the situation, your mirror would need to be the red one. In my opinion, it just matches better.
And that would be a strange shape for a room, wouldn't it?

[Melodyman]

hiawassee wrote:

Melodyman wrote: Well, the letters on the film in that pic are reversed from the ones in the trailer. Well someone was nice enough to supply this earlier: Which show the letters from the trailer match the letters in the original photo

Oh, its the same film and the letters, its just that for some reason, they are reversed in the trailer as compared to this new photo. You cant flip a super 8 film since it has the sprockets on one side only,
How would this happen? Just pointing it out..

[hiawassee]

SeekerX wrote:

It's pretty easy to flip a film roll on a reel, though. It's harder to produce an image with one third flipped.

Well everyone who keeps mentioning the image reflecting in the glass, that's what they're talking about... The photographer did not flip anything in the image. It hasn't been tampered with. We only do it to look at the left side more clearly, but not because what we're looking at has been flipped before. It's a reflection. It's backwards.

I sketched this up real quick to better explain myself, not to say it's how anyone else is seeing this picture.



As the blue dot in the middle is the photographer and he is facing "up" or toward the wall we're looking at, the the top of the photo is what we're seeing. The desk with the little brown box and then the star is the projection we're looking at. To the left of the projection on the wall is a sheet of glass. Some are thinking it's a mirror but because of the strange bar running through it, it may be a window. It seems to relfect rather clean so I want to say mirror, but I don't really know about the bar.

Behind the photographer there are items. This is what we're seeing in the reflection. There's the hat, box, lamp and all. I'm thinking they're sitting up on the black dresser but that's still just my speculation. Behind them a few have seen what looks like a half-wall and behind that (in green) is a door or a window. Does appear to be a door, but still speculation.

All of these things (and probably more we can't see or can't make out) are being reflected in that glass and that's why we can see them. They're not behind the wall we're looking at. Only behind the photographer who's looking at the wall.

[Euchre]

The reflection is doing all the of the flipping in the original image, as delivered. Such is the nature of reflection. To add to the reversed text, if that part of the image were not reversed, the scissors would basically have to be left handed. Note the handles are different in size (as scissors normally are) and that when you normally lay down scissors, you lay them down with your thumb inward toward the center of your body.

[SeekerX]

It's pretty easy to flip a film roll on a reel, though. It's harder to produce an image with one third flipped.

[hiawassee]

Melodyman wrote:

Well, the letters on the film in that pic are reversed from the ones in the trailer.

Well someone was nice enough to supply this earlier:


Which show the letters from the trailer match the letters in the original photo

[Melodyman]

Well, the letters on the film in that pic are reversed from the ones in the trailer.

[hiawassee]

Really don't understand all the numbers you just came up with. We're looking at a flat wall. And we're looking at a normal (non-flipped) image. Only the left side appears backwards because it's reflected.

And the hat isn't on a stand. It's sitting on a box that is sitting on, what appears to be, a black probably wooden surface.

[SeekerX]

I see the hat sitting right on the corner of the carton. No stand, no nothing. Just that strange wooden beam in the foreground.
Appart from that I don't really understand all the conformity that this photo is flipped ONLY on the original left side. That would be kind of a tricky since the wall on which the beamer projects is not in one 90 degree line from the perspective. It would take some time to mark the individual pixels to get a good result and if I compare that to our friend "I have the damn thing" I don't think he's very good at patience. I think the photo is fully flipped, along with the projection as well. And I don't think we see any glass- reflection at all. If we'd see a glass reflection, the room would have to be 6 or 8 sided, imo.

[hiawassee]

Well actually if the "background" is actually a reflection, the hat is probably only just as far from the photographer as the wall with the projection, just behind him instead in front of him.

Also the hat may appear tall or large against the semi-wall (which I see as well) because it looks as if it's sitting up on a black dresser or desk. Because it's so dark you can only see the surface in the lightened versions and can really only tell because you can see the bit of a reflection of the box on the vanished surface. And then it stops at the edge, right at the paper and scissors.

Looking at it that way, things look in correct perspective of size.

[SeekerX]

So I took the image 139 file from http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29773&start=13 .
Here are my two processings:

First one is just the flipped image with some gradiation done to it, second one shows what I'm talking about.

From bottom to top:
Turquoise outlined- area seems to some carpet.
Blue filled in- area seems to be a low wall (room divider).
Red outlined- area seems to be a wooden top to the room dividing wall.
Yellow outlined- area looks like a door to me. One of those doors with large window panels in it, covered by a jalousie (shade/blind). I connect those doors to your typical Police/FBI-quarters as we see them on TV/film.

What strikes me the most is the perspective, though. The hat looks huge. (Yeah, it's a hat and it's huge! ) Seriously, the hat is in the background, like 10 feet at least from the glass-top table in the front, yet it looks huge. And also compared to the lampshade it really looks, well, huge. If I assume the room dividing wall to be about 80 cm high (about 2.7 ft) the hat is half of that in diameter or more.... that is a really large hat... On the other hand, I never came across such a hat in real life, so... maybe they were that large.