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heavyunderground
Re: Gaps?
Xeno Lambrose wrote:
Does this person reply to Josh on the aforementioned forum? No, and neither does there appear to be a means to send a private message to Josh on that site and yet Mysterio and Josh do make contact and coordinate communication via the PDP simulator.


As far as I'm aware, it's possible to send private messages on ATS, but you need to be a member with over twenty posts. In that case, it would mean that rather than being led to Josh's message from an outside source, Mysterio was already a posting member of the forum who stumbled across the post, and, for whatever reason, decided to PM Josh about it.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:52 pm
Xeno Lambrose
Gaps?
I agree with Dust King, as I've questioned before (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=727864 and http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29801&start=360), Josh posts to Above Top Secret asking about someone who can authenticate papers, photos, footage. (http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread83236/pg12 )

This apparently catches the notice of our Mysterio person, who could me male or female, both, or neither.

Does this person reply to Josh on the aforementioned forum? No, and neither does there appear to be a means to send a private message to Josh on that site and yet Mysterio and Josh do make contact and coordinate communication via the PDP simulator.

I've thought about if I'd been Josh, and had posted as mentioned above, and then received a communique by some untold means from someone who initially does not give me the info I asked about, but rather sets up some means of secretly communicating in the future.

I'd be suspicious, very suspicious.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:40 pm
Melodyman
Dust King wrote:
Just some thoughts, trout me if this has been brought up before Embarassed

The conversation seems to have gaps in it. Mystery man tells Josh to stop posting because "I have proof". Next Josh posts the photo and says "see I have the damn thing". To me there seems to be a gap which would contain some important info.

Mystery's 'proof' doesn't get mentioned again yet Josh suddenly trusts the stranger enough to follow his instructions (stop posting, take down the listings). Josh seems to know Mystery will recognise a single frame of the film and he says "see, I have the damn thing" even though mystery didn't mention the film or ask if Josh had anything in his possession.

It's probably noting though but it does seem like there's something missing in there.


Best guess here is that the 'missing' bit you are referring to actually happened on the ufo chat site where Josh posted asking if anyone could verify old stuff like photos etc.. Mystery Man saw this and posted to Josh to stop posting publicly cuz he has proof and can help him verify his findings..Josh then posts back with a pic to show MM what he has asking what it is..
MM tells him its about his dad etc...

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:32 am
Dust King
Just some thoughts, trout me if this has been brought up before Embarassed

The conversation seems to have gaps in it. Mystery man tells Josh to stop posting because "I have proof". Next Josh posts the photo and says "see I have the damn thing". To me there seems to be a gap which would contain some important info.

Mystery's 'proof' doesn't get mentioned again yet Josh suddenly trusts the stranger enough to follow his instructions (stop posting, take down the listings). Josh seems to know Mystery will recognise a single frame of the film and he says "see, I have the damn thing" even though mystery didn't mention the film or ask if Josh had anything in his possession.

It's probably noting though but it does seem like there's something missing in there.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:05 am
RasGold
Re: Please ...
FilmEdge wrote:
RasGold wrote:
Ummm ... it's really bugging me that folks just don't place the "A" with "LIVE" ...


I think it's worthwhile (especially to new players) to quote the newspaper code *as it's presented to us* and not how it's meant to be deciphered, which anyone can comprehend. "a" and "live" are not adjacent in the newspaper print out, so this separation is correct.

The point is to document the clues for players as a reference so they can duplicate the results... not simply hand them the decoded solutions. The meaning is easy enough to glean from there.

Right ... Maybe what really bugs me are the people (on other ARG forums) that post their wonderings that some letters may be missing. i.e. "no certainty if a [something] ... [I want to] live ... etc ...

As far as documentation goes, we got the wiki's.

But I get your point.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:52 am
FilmEdge
Re: Please ...
RasGold wrote:
Ummm ... it's really bugging me that folks just don't place the "A" with "LIVE" ...


I think it's worthwhile (especially to new players) to quote the newspaper code *as it's presented to us* and not how it's meant to be deciphered, which anyone can comprehend. "a" and "live" are not adjacent in the newspaper print out, so this separation is correct.

The point is to document the clues for players as a reference so they can duplicate the results... not simply hand them the decoded solutions. The meaning is easy enough to glean from there.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 1:08 am
Euchre
What if the ones after you ARE the authorities?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:19 am
RasGold
Please ...
Ummm ... it's really bugging me that folks just don't place the "A" with "LIVE" ...

no certainty if alive ... may be after us ... we go underground

Alas, if they are not certain "it's" alive, how would they assume it would be after [them], and why go underground?
Doesn't seem safe. Why not go to a more public place or seek out authorities?

Yeah, ... and people who stop in the middle of the road and don't use their blinkers bug me even more, btw.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 5:16 pm
multipsychoapopheniosis
Re: Question
order of conversation
slinkydge wrote:
6Flavours wrote:
slinkydge wrote:
There has been some debate about the order of which we have been given the fragments of message, from the STIES print out we got


I'm thinking the order was confirmed. I think when the postings on the STIES site were put up they were put up like that for a reason. The symbols:">" were there to organize it into separate post, not to say you may be wrong.



I was the first person to post the > reference and order of the message - my question or querie was not the obvious order of the message which is clearly marked with >>.


It's been pointed out before that with each new message you get an extra >, look back through the wikibruce images. It's like an email with later messages as you move down the page, so order is really quite clear.

slinkydge wrote:

multipsychoapopheniosis wrote:
It's impossible to know at this time. Sometime after 1965 and before 5th May 2010. Anything more is speculation


We know it's a current time reference as the picture has been linked to Josh's craig lists post.

What I can't work out is, both the STIES print outs from the PDP-11 are messages, but to who is the newspapers message to/from? and which order should it be viewed? i.e newspaper first, during or after the most recent update on the print.

At first I thought the newspaper was the "proof" (I have proof).. but what does it prove? If it comes in after the "something reactivated" who's asking if anything was alive......


As stated, it is impossible to know at this current juncture when the coded message was added to the newspaper. Especially as the mechanism of obtaining was very different to the print-all. It could be an antique or it could be recent-Any inference is pure speculation short of the dates provided.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 10:37 am
slinkydge
Re: Question
order of conversation
6Flavours wrote:
slinkydge wrote:
There has been some debate about the order of which we have been given the fragments of message, from the STIES print out we got


I'm thinking the order was confirmed. I think when the postings on the STIES site were put up they were put up like that for a reason. The symbols:">" were there to organize it into separate post, not to say you may be wrong.


I was the first person to post the > reference and order of the message - my question or querie was not the obvious order of the message which is clearly marked with >>.

multipsychoapopheniosis wrote:
It's impossible to know at this time. Sometime after 1965 and before 5th May 2010. Anything more is speculation


We know it's a current time reference as the picture has been linked to Josh's craig lists post.

What I can't work out is, both the STIES print outs from the PDP-11 are messages, but to who is the newspapers message to/from? and which order should it be viewed? i.e newspaper first, during or after the most recent update on the print.

At first I thought the newspaper was the "proof" (I have proof).. but what does it prove? If it comes in after the "something reactivated" who's asking if anything was alive......

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:58 am
6Flavours
Re: Question
order of conversation
slinkydge wrote:
There has been some debate about the order of which we have been given the fragments of message, from the STIES print out we got


I'm thinking the order was confirmed. I think when the postings on the STIES site were put up they were put up like that for a reason. The symbols:">" were there to organize it into separate post, not to say you may be wrong.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:59 pm
multipsychoapopheniosis
Re: Question
order of conversation
slinkydge wrote:
There has been some debate about the order of which we have been given the fragments of message, from the STIES print out we got


Not really - It's all in the timeline on the summary which is up to date. There really is only one way of reading it.

slinkydge wrote:

But where in the conversation does the hidden newspaper message come into it and is he/Josh receiving this message from the same person as STIES printout? or is he sending it? Where does it come in the conversation?

no certainty if a live may be after us we go underground


It's impossible to know at this time. Sometime after 1965 and before 5th May 2010. Anything more is speculation

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:32 am
slinkydge
Question
order of conversation
There has been some debate about the order of which we have been given the fragments of message, from the STIES print out we got

But where in the conversation does the hidden newspaper message come into it and is he/Josh receiving this message from the same person as STIES printout? or is he sending it? Where does it come in the conversation?

no certainty if a live may be after us we go underground

So the order is.....

    reply posted on 6-5-2010 @ 07:41 PM by hooklineandminker
    Hey - new to this site. Does anyone know the best way to authenticate something? Like old papers, photos, footage, etc? Are there experts for conspiracy related verifications? Would appreciate the help! (http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread83236/pg12)

    Stop posting publicly. I can answer your questions. I have proof.

    See. I have the damn thing. What is it? (PICTURE)

    I think something may have reactivated. Need to make sure we're still alone. Keep it hidden until further contact.

    I've been quiet. PLEASE - what is this about??

    If you're who I think you are, it's about your father. I'll tell you more when I can, but you must take down those sale listings. Anything you found may be important.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:05 am
RasGold
Re:Key-Punch translations ...
So I asked ...
multipsychoapopheniosis wrote:
RasGold wrote:

My mom was a punch card programmer, and she says we should place the two together as it forms a complete card.

She would not tell me what it translates.


Er, the problem with that is that you then get >2bit columns which translates as nonsense (that is combining them vertically) - If you do it horizontally you just merge the two messages. Superimposing them also produces more nonsense phrases.

I don't see how she can place them together and not get nonsense out??? ...

Well, my mom is a little Screwy
I think that is why she told me to figure it out.

All I know about key-punch cards is when we used them waaaay back in grammar school.

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:06 am
multipsychoapopheniosis
Re:Sled from Craigs List posting
So I asked another Q
RasGold wrote:

My mom was a punch card programmer, and she says we should place the two together as it forms a complete card.

She would not tell me what it translates.


Er, the problem with that is that you then get >2bit columns which translates as nonsense (that is combining them vertically) - If you do it horizontally you just merge the two messages. Superimposing them also produces more nonsense phrases.

I don't see how she can place them together and not get nonsense out???

However defining the nonsense columns in card 2, you find them at positions 2,8,12,13,15,16. Using these anomalous positions on card 1, the corresponding characters are " -SSAA". Whether that means anything more is debatable, but the folder on RP.com is SSF1, so maybe? It just another way of looking at the cards I guess....

PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:24 am
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