[grieck]

Hopefully we'll have a new area.



Whether we do or don't though, the Slenderman area has a problem. Unfortunately you and Dav are busy modding the MH area, and there (due to EMH in-story controversy) is a small influx of trolling, possible to increase further.

So yeah, I don't know what you suggest, but the SM area needs more modding (mainly due to EMH humorously). And if EMH gets it's own area it'd need seperate mods so as not to divide your attention to much.

[awakeasaurusrex]

See, if you'd just said that earlier this discussion could have been over 2 pages ago.

[Rogi Ocnorb]

While you have their ear... Could you get them to back the server clock off by a quarter hour?

[Rhiannon]

ndemeter, thanks for the update-- that's really good to know.

[ndemeter]

awakeasaurusrex wrote:

ndemeter wrote: Intentionally flooding a forum to prove a point is quite a horrible way of getting our attention. Since I do read all the posts and arguments for and against a move there is no reason to suspect that we lean any certain way towards a request. Quite simply, there's no easy solution for a variety of quite boring reasons that have nothing to do with the moderators participating in a game (Lord knows if I was participating in every ARG in N&R I would go insane ). Thus every move must be planned and not done in a vacuum. Mind sharing some of those reasons with us? It might help make sure cooler, non-floody heads prevail.

Moderators cannot create new areas. That is a function reserved for the admins of the forums. Moderators work within the existing threads and can do things like edit posts to remove spam links for example. We always operate in a spirit of transparency (for example, we will never just merge two threads for the same thing without a post stating we did so) but we are confined to the spaces already created within uF.

If a need exists to promote a game to its own area (or move a game to the Archives) an admin needs to get involved. They have the ability to see beyond the threads and into the core of the software that powers these boards and make the final determinations.

Admins and Moderators communicate all the time to make sure this place always runs as smoothly as possible. But having said that, we are all volunteers and have jobs and families. Compound that with the fact that it's the holiday season and some of us are spending quality time away from the almighty computer.

So that's where we are at. The admins have not said "what?!?! that's ridiculous!! never!!" to the idea but at the same time they have not dropped everything they are doing, jet back from the various vacation spots, get on a computer to create a separate EMH forum.

Thus I ask for patience. Enjoy the holidays, drink some spiked egg nog, and rest assured that we are reading and taking everything into consideration. Thanks.

[TheNightmareComplex]

I too believe that any story with quite so many active participants [I.E., hundreds of users in-game, a cast larger than MH's, and one with so many entries and separate media to cover], should certainly have its own board. It only makes sense.

[awakeasaurusrex]

ndemeter wrote:

Intentionally flooding a forum to prove a point is quite a horrible way of getting our attention. Since I do read all the posts and arguments for and against a move there is no reason to suspect that we lean any certain way towards a request. Quite simply, there's no easy solution for a variety of quite boring reasons that have nothing to do with the moderators participating in a game (Lord knows if I was participating in every ARG in N&R I would go insane ). Thus every move must be planned and not done in a vacuum.

Mind sharing some of those reasons with us? It might help make sure cooler, non-floody heads prevail.

[ndemeter]

Intentionally flooding a forum to prove a point is quite a horrible way of getting our attention.

Since I do read all the posts and arguments for and against a move there is no reason to suspect that we lean any certain way towards a request. Quite simply, there's no easy solution for a variety of quite boring reasons that have nothing to do with the moderators participating in a game (Lord knows if I was participating in every ARG in N&R I would go insane ). Thus every move must be planned and not done in a vacuum.

[chizuru]

I think that if we did what they suggested, the forum would be flooded, then them might realize what we mean, but I'd feel terrible flooding the SMM subforum with nothing but EMH threads... But that may be the only way that we can get the mods' attention which would suck.

[awakeasaurusrex]

I'm wondering whether there might be a problem here with the fact that neither of the mods for the Slender Man Mythos subforum actually seems to participate in EMH.

I don't think anyone who has actively taken part in EMH could deny that the main thread has become impossibly unwieldy to navigate, or that if we took the advice given and made individual threads for each new release of EMH content the Slender Man Mythos subforum would be overwhelmed. But neither ndemeter nor DavFlamerock seems to have made any recent posts on EMH - they're not in the game. So they probably don't realise what seems completely obvious to us.

Yet the mods appear to consider the matter resolved, because they haven't responded to any of the points we've raised since their last statements on this issue.

[chizuru]

SolDL wrote:

Well; the three Tournament groups were required to be created, bringing our total of EMH topics up to 7.

And those threads are growing fast, they're at least 7 pages each. There are at least 105 posts for each thread.

[SolDL]

Well; the three Tournament groups were required to be created, bringing our total of EMH topics up to 7.

[Romulus]

Bear in mind that there is a season 1 AND season 2 off topic thread in the marble hornets subforum, and no one seemed to think they were unnecessary.

[SolDL]

Norrior wrote:

SolDL wrote: Yeah, look; I was originally against splitting the main EMH topic at all, but we're getting to the stage that you would be hard-pressed to find the EMH board not at the top of the topic list. Conversation has been going at an astronomical rate, and even now, with 4 separate topics on the series, each of them (including the one that is for news updates ONLY, without any discussion) have grown bigger than most boards devoted to entire Slenderstories. The Unfiction board is no longer conducive to finding them in the slightest, despite organizational methods that people have volunteered to creating. A couple of facts: - If all four EMH related topics were split away from the Slender Man Mythos board, there would be a bit over 13000 posts remaining in the board. The main EMH topic has over 16000 in it. - The Tribe Twelve topic, the biggest non-EMH topic, at the time of this posting, has 1446 posts since June 9th. The EMH Tournament thread has had 1317 since NOVEMBER 25th. - The Marble Hornets subforum has had posts dating back to at the very least, this time, August '09. The EMH main topic has been going since May 16, '10. The entire subforum of Marble Hornets has aproximately 7000 posts more than the EMH main topic, and it has been going for almost a year longer (Hiatus not taken into account, of course.) I can appreciate your judgement on this issue, but I'd like to let the numbers speak for themselves. I agree with MetaMike to not do this and also think this is a dumb suggestion. The reason that there are so many EMH threads is due to users making too many unnecessary threads. I mean "EverymanHybrid: Off-topic Thread"? How the hell is that exactly an OT thread if it's labeled "EMH"? It's an Oxymoron. Most of the talk in every single EMH titled thread is OT and can be condensed in a much easier and more lucid fashion, if only the users practiced smart thread making. I say, in lieu of giving EMH a subforum, remove unnecessary threads from the Slender Man Mythos forum that take up room and confuse everyone.

You do make a good point: The EMH off-topic thread is indeed, an oxymoron. Personally, I didn't agree with it being made. However, it was made in an attempt to stop the EMH board being any more cluttered than it is at the moment, which is admirable. I do, however, think you don't quite have a grasp on the issue here. There is the issue of the Slender Man Mythos board, certainly: Which could quite possibly be solved if there was only one EMH thread. Then again, there are only 4, that's not quite an unreasonable number for such a wide spanning story. I wouldn't say they confuse people, either; they are very clearly marked.

But there is also the issue of the EMH thread itself. A personal anecdote here: I left for 10 days to go up the coast, and when I came back, I was entirely incapable of backtracking and seeing what I had missed. The thread simply moves too fast to be an effective resource for this particular ARG.

If we were to practice 'smart thread-making', according to the model proposed by ndemeter, and if we were to substitute in the same amount of discussion produced in this thread currently, there would, at the very least:

- be a thread for each EMH video ,
- for each WickedStickyAlex update ,
- for the Can You See The Words blog ,
- a topic for twitter posts by EverymanHYBRID, Youseethewords, and SEVENTRIALS ,
- a topic for the tournament (possibly needing to be split into three or more topics, for Angora, English Lop and Netherland Dwarf groups),
- not to mention the topics created for the geocached boxes ,
- the letters sent to particular ARGers,
- and the Ustreams held every so often.
- And this is completely ignoring the human element; the theorizing,
- the discussion not particularly related to any update but to the series as a collective,
- and the inevitable off-topic conversations which transpire between people who work together on a common goal.

If this is the end result of the proposed threadmaking scheme, I do personally feel that the creation of an EverymanHybrid sub-forum would be very reasonable.

[Romulus]

How about (to save room and prevent clutter, of course) we move the marble hornets subforum into the slender man mythos subforum? Clearly it's part of the SMM, and all that the readers would have to do is put some sort of tag on the threads such as [MH 12/13/10 UPDATE] to avoid confusion. It's got (as shown earlier in this thread) roughly the same amount of posts going on in it as EMH does, so why not just lump it into the SMM subforum?