Yes, the six degrees of seperation theory is a problem. Sending out any form of communication unsolicited is considered as spam these days. The six degrees may well mean us to personally ask people that we know and show them the photo...people who live in areas that might possibly be his home location. I personally think he lives in London. He probably runs a chinese restaurant (No offence is meant to be taken) down the road from Mind Candy offices. I do believe that the only way we will find this man is either by accident, or by involving the media. Has anyone approached a radio or magazine with this puzzle? (Puts on list of things to do)
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:56 pm
sirichj
Surely MC must have known how difficult this would be, if we all email 5 people what's the likelihood they will, what is their incentive?
What do you usually do when you receive an email that says, "pass this on to 5 of your friends etc", well I normally delete it lol so if we are going to use the SDOS approach then basically we're screwed lol.
The people we email will probably have no idea about what we're trying to do and will not get anything out of it, so why do it ? That's the problem
Let's hope someone who finds the cube and claims the $100,000 is keen on finding Satoshi
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:02 am
x
Really if they intended Kayserberg to never be revealed as the pic location, It may be that 6 degrees is the only approach they intend on us using.
I wouldnt discount other methods, but lets follow that line of thinking.
I would say in the information age we just need to push out his face to every corner of the earth.
TV is a good option. Public TV, or even popular TV stations, for instance Tech TV.(ZDTV) ... this the bigger the viewing audience the better, of course. Of course getting something on TV usually takes cash. But it wouldnt hurt to offer the concept to the techie shows, they like this kind of stuff. I know each country has its own station system. We would need to hit many of them to get a real result.
Next is the Internet. We are already working on this. But perhaps another mailing is in order? Despite its lack of legality... the B2O-Virus was an idea. A Bad one... but an idea. a little window that popped up with Satoshi
and asked "do you know me?" and a link to the page. Of course we could do the same in a pop-up ad. Course spyware or virus, its still forcing people to look at something they arent interested in. Which isnt really very cool.
Making the chain letter easier to forward might be a good idea. I had an idea. Put a link in the email, that forwards you to a page that allows you to send out an email from that page. Some chain letters use that method. No forwarding, you just go to a page put in your email, the email of the person you want to send it to, and off it goes. And in that email is a link for that person to do the same thing. It makes the whole process idiot proof.
The problem... you end up having to run your own email server. Of course you could allow people to host mirrors, put them all over the place and then split the processing load up to several servers owned by us players.
That way its all automated, no one pays a ton of server bandwidth costs, and we can really start to pump out the emails to the world. It would also give us the opportunity to tally the email addresses weve sent out. Once we start to approach 1 million emails and up to 10 mil emails, we would really start to see how far we have spread Satoshi's image around. Hell you could even watch the IP's and get a general map of how far weve spread the Satoshi Sickness ... It would also give us holes in our search and show us where we still need to infect.
Myspace has a nice world wide IP tracker, you just slip a small piece of code into the page you want to track and it gives you IP listings and a map of hits on the earth. Very easy to use. No link right off hand. Sry.
Just a few ideas. ... back to work.
Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:26 am
sirichj
Where are you satoshi?
The thing that's confusing me is that MC said Satoshi had agreed to appear on the card, this made me think he was either;
a - Famous - which he can't be otherwise we would have either been able to google him or someone would have recognised him by now OR
b - Chosen by MC. I wondered if he is reknowned in a particular field like anthropology or social studies and was using this as his own personal experiment or something. I don't buy the idea that Satoshi just sent his picture in and said "Hey guys I've got a cool puzzle, put my picture on a card and get people to try and find me". Obviously this may be the case but it just seems a little too obscure even for MC.
Yes, MC said he was not related to any MC employee or had anything to do with MC (company) but that doesn't mean that someone who works there doesn't know him, or he could be a friend of a friend of someone who works for MC.
My only other speculative observation is that I doubt Satoshi is in the UK as there are a lot of websites about him and plenty of pictures in circulation over here, as for other countries I don't know. Maybe if we could find out the general concensus as to what is going on elsewhere it might help us to see where we need to concentrate our efforts on spreading the word.
Lastly guys, I think the Kaysersberg thing is a dead end after reading what's been said and with no comeback from anyone there. The picture was probably a holiday pic or something, somewhere obscure completely unrelated to the puzzle. Bearing in mind the nature of the card and the way MC want us to find the solution, it wouldn't matter where the picture was taken and I'm sure MC wouldn't want to give us a clue in that way if they want the six degrees of separation approach to be tested effectively, it just wouldn't make sense to tell us where to start.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:32 pm
jaikaiman
That could take a while Bakers_12...probably no longer than searching the world for 1 bloke named satoshi...
I like your thinkin though
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:29 am
Bakers_12
I don't remember this being brought up before... so here goes
I has been stated that our man does not have a link to any members of MC and that he also knows about the challenge that has been set for us.
If you wanted a picture of someone who would be fully aware of what will be asked of us and not be linked to your self where would you go?
I think it might be possible that they could have hired Satoshi from a model agency? If so we could e mail some London or near Kaysersberg modelling agencies?
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:19 am
aliendial
Looks like that's Laura Hall's version of the website approach. There's a livejournal account set up too. She's a PXC mod here.
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:50 pm
Si
Here is the link to the page where the passage came from :
Hope this helps, although on the page itself it also says the creators of Perplex City want us to use the six degrees of separation approach.
I have probably spent about 50 hours searching Satoshi's and looking at pictures and after reading this I am thinking that we aren't going to find Satoshi by googling him or by any other search engine, unless anyone else thinks otherwise ?
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:28 pm
AtionSong
Si wrote:
I have resorted to downloading japanese text onto my laptop and am now searching using googles japanese version - Interestingly I found this :
The official word:
"Satoshi has agreed to appear on this card and, of course, knows you're looking for him. He isn't hiding, but he isn't looking for you either. If you track him down, he will happily provide you with the information required to solve this card, and will also be able to prove his identity as The Real Satoshi - you don't need to coerce or harass him into co-operating, you just need to find him. Satoshi has no connection with any employee of Mind Candy or Mind Candy's business partners - pursuing them for information will be of no use. Finally, Satoshi possesses no information regarding the location of Perplex City's $200,000 Cube, so you needn't interrogate him about that either! As always with Perplex City, you needn't (and mustn't) break the law - or be mean! - in the course of your adventures. With all that said. good hunting, one and all...."
Interesting but not much help but it might clear up a few questions people may have !
Where did you find this? Can you link it?
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:01 pm
Si
I have resorted to downloading japanese text onto my laptop and am now searching using googles japanese version - Interestingly I found this :
The official word:
"Satoshi has agreed to appear on this card and, of course, knows you're looking for him. He isn't hiding, but he isn't looking for you either. If you track him down, he will happily provide you with the information required to solve this card, and will also be able to prove his identity as The Real Satoshi - you don't need to coerce or harass him into co-operating, you just need to find him. Satoshi has no connection with any employee of Mind Candy or Mind Candy's business partners - pursuing them for information will be of no use. Finally, Satoshi possesses no information regarding the location of Perplex City's $200,000 Cube, so you needn't interrogate him about that either! As always with Perplex City, you needn't (and mustn't) break the law - or be mean! - in the course of your adventures. With all that said. good hunting, one and all...."
Interesting but not much help but it might clear up a few questions people may have !
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:50 am
Afgncaap5
Okay, I'd become really intrigued by the signatures on the cards, so I looked into a few patterns. Didn't see anything. On a whim, I emailed them about cards lacking signatures and cards that list both a signature, and a guest artist. It doesn't reveal anything, but I'll put it here in case anyone's interested.
Quote:
Hi Affy,
Thanks for your email. Also, congratulations on your excellent name!
Just thought I'd mention it.
The slightly underwhelming answer to your questions is that there isn't
a particularly meaningful reason why some cards don't have puzzle
scribes. I'm told that, in some cases, "they just didn't warrant one...
either it didn't make sense, or it just didn't fit." So there you have
it! As for card #218, the opposite mysteriously applied.
So, in conclusion, truly our puzzle department doth operate in
mysterious ways. All part of the enigma of Perplex City... maybe.
Best regards and happy puzzling - I'll try to find a more satisfying to
your future questions!
Guy @ Perplex City Customer Services
So unless Guy is just outright lying (and I doubt that), then there isn't a pattern to the signatures. Unless that's what was meant by the "didn't fit" reference.[/quote]
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:16 pm
Si
Re: We don't want to limit unnecessarily
I don't know of any evidence that proves there is a connection. Seriously. This could just be a photograph of someone whose name was passed to MC.
Ok lets think about it like this, say if this was your photo that had been passed on, MC would need your permission to use it, so you are then aware you are featured on a card. If it was me, I would monitor the forums and the other sites that are running to see how many people are looking for me, looking at some of the data from these sites, emails are circulating in Europe, USA, Canada, Japan and many other countries so if Satoshi wanted to be found it would be very easy for him to get in touch (although this would sort of defeat the object of the card lol).
I agree that the idea of the six degrees of separation is to send emails to 5 or 6 people who then send 5 or 6 emails etc, but the problem I have is that if Satoshi has told his friends and relatives about the game and the card he is on, and if anyone gets in touch with them relating to it, what is to stop them not passing on the info as to where he is until MC decide that Satoshi being found is relevant. Really, Satoshi could stay hidden forever if he has gioven instructions to people who know him not to pass any information on until a specified time by MC.
The point I was trying to make was that after several months we still know virtually nothing about this guy, where he lives, his surname, his age and whether or not he has some connection to MC or not.
The only thing that suggestions to me Satoshi does have some connection to MC is that in a correspondence from Guy P to one of the sites concentrating on the search over Xmas, they said
Quote:
he is expecting you . . .
which to me suggests he is waiting to be found and is very aware of the search.
I hope someone finds him soon and solves Shuffled and 13th Labour as they are all driving me mad and good luck to whoever finds the cube. We know we already have enough clues, but I've got no idea where to start looking lol
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:41 pm
frog51
We don't want to limit unnecessarily
Si wrote:
2 ... I doubt he was there studying as he looks to me to be around 30ish which means he would more than likely not have attended university there, this leads me to believe he was there either on a work based project or simply on holiday, a day trip etc.
Is speculative - no evidence...
Si wrote:
6 How he is linked to Perplexcity and Mind Candy. Obviously he has some connection for them to use his picture and for him to be expecting us, it is not just a picture of some random person, is there any way we could trace a link from him to anyone in MC?
I don't know of any evidence that proves there is a connection. Seriously. This could just be a photograph of someone whose name was passed to MC.
We are going the right way about it, I think, but I am always wary of closing off possible avenues before they have been proven to be incorrect.