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almagest
Many thanks, manleym

Perhaps, I should have been clearer. I already entered the solution successfully on the site. I am just trying to understand the reasoning process (if any).

1) I don't see how you get to Orion's belt or why it helps (I can see that the four white points look like stars, but why Orion's belt in particular?);

2) how do you get to from the card to resting places for very important rulers of old? (except maybe as one of many possible "mystical place"s );

3&4) (connect the points and type what you see). Hmmm. Presumably you mean the shape is suggestive? But (a) it is the wrong shape (those at Giza have square bases, not triangular), and (b) essentially any non-convex set of 4 points would provide the same clue?

Or do you mean that in some way we get lines crossing at the location? If so, how? Someone posted a map which purported to show that, but all they had done was to join the present day locations to the target location. We need some way of *deriving* the target location.

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:08 am
manleym
 almagest wrote: Well, I am stuck in the sense that I still don't see the reasoning, as opposed to the guessing, that leads to the answer. I looked again at your two gaea maps, manleym, but I am afraid I am not much the wiser!

Okay To all still trying to nail the Card here are a few short hints that will nudge you in the right direction:

1) The Star constellation orion will help especially its belt.
2) These are resting places for very important rulers of old
3) Connect the points together on the card
4) Type what you see

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:47 am
almagest
Well, I am stuck in the sense that I still don't see the reasoning, as opposed to the guessing, that leads to the answer.

I looked again at your two gaea maps, manleym, but I am afraid I am not much the wiser!

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:28 am
manleym
 almagest wrote: I guess I am being stupid, but I still don't get this. Clearly: (1) the PC site accepts the answer; (2) the card image was taken from http://www.itis-molinari.mi.it/cgi-bin/reconstruct.exe; (3) the card shows pangaea. But I do not see how you use the stars to get the location. For example, the map earthsdestiny.gif just takes each star and joins it to the answer location. That does not help to identify it. Arguably one of these lines is close to a line of latitude and one is close to a line of longitude on a modern map, but I do not find that particularly convincing, especially since the far north star is so hard to pin down precisely on a modern map. Also, if you read the previous 14 pages people seemed to reach the answer by trying a large number of guesses. There is nothing wrong with that as a strategy, but I am not sure it is what MC intended.

1,2 & 3 Correct

The star locations are:
Greenland
Australia
Algeria

No modern map is really needed, the map I posted back on page 9 of this thread helps alot.

I personally liked this card, but in the end it was way to easy for a silver.

If still stuck almagest send a PM and I will give you a few big clues

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:37 am
almagest
I guess I am being stupid, but I still don't get this.

Clearly:

(1) the PC site accepts the answer;
(2) the card image was taken from http://www.itis-molinari.mi.it/cgi-bin/reconstruct.exe;
(3) the card shows pangaea.

But I do not see how you use the stars to get the location.

For example, the map earthsdestiny.gif just takes each star and joins it to the answer location. That does not help to identify it. Arguably one of these lines is close to a line of latitude and one is close to a line of longitude on a modern map, but I do not find that particularly convincing, especially since the far north star is so hard to pin down precisely on a modern map.

Also, if you read the previous 14 pages people seemed to reach the answer by trying a large number of guesses. There is nothing wrong with that as a strategy, but I am not sure it is what MC intended.

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:16 am
manleym
 Keovar wrote: Just a question... is there a pyre in the middle?

Theres not a pyre in the middle, but a pyra instead

P.S You only require a single word answer!

If anyone is still stuck on this one please feel free to pop me a PM and a will give out a few more clues

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:57 am
Keovar
Just a question... is there a pyre in the middle?

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:39 am
manleym
Re: My brain hurts

ndemeter wrote:
I know what we are talking about and there's no clear answer given here so I am on my second day of being locked out of this card. Can someone please PM me with either the answer or an obvious nudge?

 Spoiler (Rollover to View): I have tried: The great pyramid, gizeh, cairo, egypt, pyramid, gizah and nothing.

Help! [/spoiler]

PM Sent

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:49 am
ndemeter
My brain hurts

I know what we are talking about and there's no clear answer given here so I am on my second day of being locked out of this card. Can someone please PM me with either the answer or an obvious nudge?

 Spoiler (Rollover to View): I have tried: The great pyramid, gizeh, cairo, egypt, pyramid, gizah and nothing.

Help! [/spoiler]

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:36 am
Rand0m
Magma wrote:
 Spoiler (Rollover to View): Shouldn't there be FIVE vertices? I would expect one on Japan or one in the Southern Indian Ocean for it to be right...

Oh, I don't know... I think you can do it with what we had, provided you don't mind the end result being a bit wonky. It just needs a leap of imagination to work out what to do, then another one to work out what you're looking at. Not my favourite silver.

Zipped-up spoilery image follows, based on the
 Spoiler (Rollover to View): Cape Verde / Galapagos / Spitzbergen / East Timor
locations suggested earlier.

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:30 am
jenn2d2
I definitely agree with the previous post - a great thanks to the folks who have been worrying at this card for a while. One of the things that someone said early on sparked a thought, which eventually lead me to the right answer (in time to be a fashionably late solve #69):

 Spoiler (Rollover to View): The title of the card seems to be indicating the fate of the planet, but it also could be pointing to the fate of the earth (or dirt) itself. The map in the background shows pangaea, before its dirt moved around to form the continents. After a bit, it occured to me that the solution might be referring to a mystical place, or places, built with the earth taken from these locations. I think that was the logic MC was after.

Or, it could just look like that after a good guess. All in all, more satisfactory than Polar.

Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 6:13 pm
Carma1313
 kirschner19 wrote: I don't have the card, and as such can't appease my brain! Would someone mind if I PM'd them to confirm what I've gathered through the hints? It's pretty much out there but I wouldn't mind making sure.

Well I dont mind kirschner, however... I may not be the best candidate due to the fact that I think I have skipped a few pages of the main solve... Still managed to get the answer though... Might even help me to go over it with someone else. Up to you mate!

Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 3:40 am
kirschner19
I don't have the card, and as such can't appease my brain! Would someone mind if I PM'd them to confirm what I've gathered through the hints? It's pretty much out there but I wouldn't mind making sure.

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 7:21 pm
Rifflesby
Bendover wrote:
I finally got it, and I also think that this answer left a little something to be desired. As Magma said
 Quote: Shouldn't there be FIVE vertices? I would expect one on Japan or one in the Southern Indian Ocean for it to be right...
It just seems a bit sloppy,mind you it had me stumped but it seems as though a more elegant and mystical answer would have been cooler

I have to say, I agree. Not quite as annoyingly random as Polar, but it's up there. :/

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 7:11 pm
GasparLewis
OK, now I know I get it.
Finally, my dense head pieces together the clues.

Now, if only I owned the card!

Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 8:15 am
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