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[quote="Cots945"]Sorry for jumping into this without having the full background yet but does the giant monkey have any significance? Specifically at the end of the episode he grabs Mulligan while he is yelling, "he thinks I'm a woman!!!". They then run off camera. This seems to be a reference to King Kong? It is probably a stretch but King Kong did steal a woman and take her to the Empire State building...[/quote]
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joemanfro
the "snake"
Has anyone humored the possibility that the "snake" might be the
G train
? The color of the snake lines up quite nicely, and it seems plausible that the "cutting up of the snake" could actually be a metaphor to all the crewmates' trains intersecting the G train at various points.
At the start of episode 6, I have Mulligan traveling North along "McDonald Ave" (the soda & burger on the comic cover seem to confirm this). Whether he is on foot, on a bus, or on the F train is still up in the air for me, but it works out VERY nicely with where I have him ending in episode 5.
The F train/McDonald Ave does run right into the tail of the G train, which is the part of the snake which wraps up Mulligan in the graveyard.
Oh, also... The neighborhood McDonald Ave runs right through is called "Gravesend" apparently. Thought that an interesting realization WAY after the fact. If still skeptical, the G train also starts right next to Greenwood Cemetery, so I feel like I have a backup confirmation.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:47 am
merelyviral
ccl28 wrote:
Looking more closely, now I see the sculpture (or whatever) next to a turtle or something.
ccl28 wrote:
I am a bit confused. The picture in your link is a google map showing a winding path with trees overhead that give an appearance of a segmented snake. I assumed that was the "snake". Is there actually a snake sculpture in that park that looks exactly like the snake in the comic? If so, is there a closer picture of that? I can't make anything like that out in the google map.
Here's a better picture (was originally posted in the huge thread in this forum)
snake and turtle
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:55 pm
ccl28
Looking more closely, now I see the sculpture (or whatever) next to a turtle or something.
ccl28 wrote:
I am a bit confused. The picture in your link is a google map showing a winding path with trees overhead that give an appearance of a segmented snake. I assumed that was the "snake". Is there actually a snake sculpture in that park that looks exactly like the snake in the comic? If so, is there a closer picture of that? I can't make anything like that out in the google map.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:21 am
ccl28
I am a bit confused. The picture in your link is a google map showing a winding path with trees overhead that give an appearance of a segmented snake. I assumed that was the "snake". Is there actually a snake sculpture in that park that looks exactly like the snake in the comic? If so, is there a closer picture of that? I can't make anything like that out in the google map.
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:01 am
merelyviral
ccl28 wrote:
Does it being a diamondback have any significance in your interpretation?
I have no interpretation for the snake... they've drawn the snake in the comic book exactly as it appears in that park, which is near where you should be at the beginning of ep. 6 (or walked by it near the end of ep. 5) I don't use the snake in the solution, it's just a nice confirmation that I'm on the right track
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:24 pm
ccl28
I like "PLAZA". I have mixed feelings about the snake. It's very clever. Does it being a diamondback have any significance in your interpretation?
I have been meaning to post some of my ep 5 solutions. I moved recently and have been doing major home renovations in my free time. I am away on business, but will try post some biggies this weekend.
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:03 pm
merelyviral
was in NYC this past weekend, didn't find the gold. I will post my solution soon (it will take a while to type out), but for now I'll spill some beans about ep. 6
At the end of episode 5, I am standing on Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U (not necessarily Avenue U, could be nearby, like Fillmore Ave or Avenue R, S, T, etc). Why does it not matter that I have an exact spot? Because, as Crothers says in ep. 6 "even if they got off at the next port...", which means that it doesn't matter if you were slightly off in previous eps (namely, I don't think were specific enough about which subway stop to get off in eps 3 or 5). As long as you are on Flatbush Ave near Marine Park at the beginning of ep. 6, you're fine.
In ep. 6, the crabs on the beach at the beginning and the drawing of the snake help you confirm where you should be standing. See:
Crabs at Beach in Marine Park
Picture of Snake
Next, consider "following a compass heading close to ours should put them..." What compass heading? If you look at the map on welostourgold.com, the compass diagram is identical to what gets revealed on the poker table at the end of ep. 5. The compass rotates slightly counter-clockwise, so that it now points slightly to the Northwest. Which direction does Flatbush Avenue run? Northwest-Southeast. So, follow Flatbush Avenue to the Northwest.
Next, they defeat the snake, and all of a sudden they are back on the ship! Using the terminology we've seen, e.g. ports = subway stops, ship = subway, it means they've gotten back on the subway. Notice that, following Flatbush to the Northwest, we run into the Flatbush Ave - Brooklyn College station. Unfortunately, they don't tell us whether they've gotten on the 2 or the 5 line, but that comes later.
On the next page, we get to the "but knowing not what stood between them and their destination". This page and the General Anesthetic page gives us a clue that we're on the right track. I posed a little puzzle earlier in this thread "Look at works you employ rarely and you'll find a career". It's something you might see in a cryptic crossword puzzle... look at the first letter of each of the first 6 words and you spell LAWYER. Similarly, this part of the comic book encodes a clue using the first letters of words, and it's the reason why the wording is somewhat awkward: "I'll kiss Napoleon before I see pirates leave any zone armed with Britain's best fortifications". Really, 'zone'? "Pirates Leave Any Zone Armed" = PLAZA. So there's a plaza that stands between the pirates and their destination... which one? Refer to General Anesthetic = GA... G A PLAZA. Whether you take the 2 or 5 from Flatbush Ave, you will stop at Grand Army Plaza, which stands between us and our destination.
And that's it, "that's the whole skit", as said by Mulligan after the monkey turns into the gorilla. This is confirmed in Ep. 3, in the ticker, where it says that the gorilla is not a clue, they just wanted to make a scene using a gorilla costume that they already had. Though it is important for finding out that Crothers lost his leg, and that Tom's stars have no effect (I take this to mean the star he threw in ep.3 is meaningless)
And I'll continue on with the beginning of Ep. 4, because it tells us whether we should be on the 2 or the 5 subway line. They split apart shortly after Grand Army Plaza. "Sometimes to follow the way you must avoid the way you've known." Follow the stops along the 2 line. You'll eventually run into Columbus Circle, somewhere we've already been! So we have to avoid the way we've known by taking the 5.
Hopefully that gets people going again
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:44 am
captain12fingers
merelyviral wrote:
prodigalOne wrote:
I don't want to ask for an answer, but can you at least clearly state that when you refer to General Anesthetic, you are not referring to anything that may or may not have been shipped from sending a letter to that address?
my last post was about an encoding technique, i.e., how to hide a message in text. It has nothing to do with what the words mean, or the associated address... just the actual text of the comic book. I gave the extra hint to make sure to look at "General Anesthetic" along with anything else you find
I am dying to know what you have found for black hearted ozzing buggers and Lucifer in a bird suite. If you find it you have to let us know. I know what they are in Time Square.
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:35 pm
merelyviral
prodigalOne wrote:
I don't want to ask for an answer, but can you at least clearly state that when you refer to General Anesthetic, you are not referring to anything that may or may not have been shipped from sending a letter to that address?
my last post was about an encoding technique, i.e., how to hide a message in text. It has nothing to do with what the words mean, or the associated address... just the actual text of the comic book. I gave the extra hint to make sure to look at "General Anesthetic" along with anything else you find
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:48 am
captain12fingers
prodigalOne wrote:
merelyviral wrote:
A couple of notes about decoding ep. 6 (and the series in general):
- whenever they explicitly talk about "ports", "docks", "on the ship", "off the ship", maybe they are referring to various parts of the subway?
- forget about the episodes and think of simple coding/decoding techniques. What are some techniques that you haven't used in your solution yet? For example, look at words you employ rarely and you might find a career. Maybe this technique could be used, with the help of General Anesthetic, to help you figure out what stands between them and their destination?
I don't want to ask for an answer, but can you at least clearly state that when you refer to General Anesthetic, you are not referring to anything that may or may not have been shipped from sending a letter to that address?
Look up what the word means. I pretty much have been sitting here with dictionaries to get what the words mean. It really helps to figure out the coding.
Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:19 am
prodigalOne
merelyviral wrote:
A couple of notes about decoding ep. 6 (and the series in general):
- whenever they explicitly talk about "ports", "docks", "on the ship", "off the ship", maybe they are referring to various parts of the subway?
- forget about the episodes and think of simple coding/decoding techniques. What are some techniques that you haven't used in your solution yet? For example, look at words you employ rarely and you might find a career. Maybe this technique could be used, with the help of General Anesthetic, to help you figure out what stands between them and their destination?
I don't want to ask for an answer, but can you at least clearly state that when you refer to General Anesthetic, you are not referring to anything that may or may not have been shipped from sending a letter to that address?
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:38 pm
captain12fingers
merelyviral wrote:
A couple of notes about decoding ep. 6 (and the series in general):
- whenever they explicitly talk about "ports", "docks", "on the ship", "off the ship", maybe they are referring to various parts of the subway?
I thought of that. In the episodes the captain does mention parts of a ship a lot.
- forget about the episodes and think of simple coding/decoding techniques. What are some techniques that you haven't used in your solution yet? For example, look at words you employ rarely and you might find a career. Maybe this technique could be used, with the help of General Anesthetic, to help you figure out what stands between them and their destination?
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:32 pm
merelyviral
A couple of notes about decoding ep. 6 (and the series in general):
- whenever they explicitly talk about "ports", "docks", "on the ship", "off the ship", maybe they are referring to various parts of the subway?
- forget about the episodes and think of simple coding/decoding techniques. What are some techniques that you haven't used in your solution yet? For example, look at words you employ rarely and you might find a career. Maybe this technique could be used, with the help of General Anesthetic, to help you figure out what stands between them and their destination?
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:27 am
merelyviral
Re: Some Times
captain12fingers wrote:
Some times to follow the way you must avoid the way you've known.
From where I was sitting at the end of episode 6, I had exactly two possible ways to go, and one of them leads directly back to a previous landmark on the path. Again, it's one of those "Aha!" moments where the clue gets its meaning if you're standing in the right place, but otherwise doesn't tell you anything about where you should be... it's the only way they can force you to actually watch and figure out the whole series.
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:22 am
captain12fingers
Some Times
Some times to follow the way you must avoid the way you've known.
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:17 am
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