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[quote="confusion"][quote="Euchre"]You don't think those events were planned long before hand? I'm sure most of the ARG was designed in outline before the first Bit hit the post office.The details of each stage are malleable I'm sure, but they can't exactly just make up the story and events a month in advance - especially when they're using the REAL actors from the film.[/quote] I don't know how long the events were planned before hand, do you? All I can do is base my analysis on the facts at hand, and the chronology of events. The 89 logo appears in the trailer before the ARG. That trailer utilized scenes shot months before that.[/quote]
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SoCalSteve
anyone have a picture of sam going through the "BIG DOOR"?
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:57 pm
Christien
I just came home from another screening of the movie and I'm not sure if this was mentioned or not, but I noticed something that could be a subtle nod to the ARG.
In the beginning of the scene at Sam's place in the shipping container there are 3 photos stuck on his fridge, and they are shots of him kickboxing. Now, it's not the same photo used from the site
http://amazoncapoeira.com.br/quem_somos.htm
but I'm pretty sure it's from the same photoshoot.
And seeing as his martial arts training was not mentioned at all in the film but was relevant in the game, I'll take it as a nod to Flynn Lives.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:08 pm
madopal
Two new things I noticed
In Sam's place by the river, in a few shots, you can see Kevin Flynn's old Ducati off to the side. It's white, and it appears to definitely be run down.
At the end of the movie, when Alan walks out of Flynn's Arcade, he's very visibly wearing tennis/gym shoes.
If you go back and watch the original, I believe there's a good shot or two when he's either heading to or coming from talking with Dillinger, and he's got the prototypical programmer outfit: cheap sportcoat, simple shirt & tie, business casual pants, and gym/tennis shoes. Nice touch to see that even being on the Encom board, he's still rocking the programmer gym shoes.
Nope, I'm wrong. Lora is wearing them. Alan is being a good corporate worker and wearing his dress shoes.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Also, in the flashback sequences when Clu is ambushing Tron/Flynn, there's some digital noise effects on there when combat happened, and I could SWEAR I saw a flash of digits on the screen. We're going to have to wait until the DVD release to catch that frame by frame.
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:41 pm
thebruce
Christien wrote:
Quote:
The film cost $170 million to make, and has just grossed a bit over $171 million. Yay for profitability!
Although I don't think ticket sales will cover the $290 million price tag, I do think it will end up in the black after all the DVD and merchandise money is counted.
Far from it. I'm sure they'll make much of $290m, after all the toys, collectibles, licensing, games and whatnot. And I think the DVD/BR will sell
very
well for home viewing. It kind of shot itself in the foot by advertising IMAX 3D so much in a controversial 3D market, instead of encouraging people to see it in 2D just as much, and it smacks to me like one of those movies people will eagerly, eagerly await the dvd release. At the very least for collecting as well.
They may very well market the hell out of the dvd release too tho
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:16 am
Rogi Ocnorb
It confuses me when people start talking about Encom's servers where this movie is concerned. While Kevin got caught in their machine in the original movie, He recreated the environment on his own hardware and got lost, again in Legacy. If Kevin's hardware were connected to anything more than the phone line needed to call the pager, we'd have Clu pulling the whole Colossus/WOPR/Jobe Smith thing in the real world.
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:28 pm
Christien
Quote:
The film cost $170 million to make, and has just grossed a bit over $171 million. Yay for profitability!
Well, according to this article:
http://www.soundonsight.org/%E2%80%98ispec%E2%80%99joseph-kosinski%E2%80%99s-commercial-that-helped-him-get-the-job-to-direct-%E2%80%98tron-legacy%E2%80%99/
$170 million was spent on the film and $120 million was spent on a 3 year marketing campaign. I'm guessing that includes the ARG.
Although I don't think ticket sales will cover the $290 million price tag, I do think it will end up in the black after all the DVD and merchandise money is counted.
Also, in the article is a link to Kosinski's commercial for iSpec that apparently helped him get the Tron job.
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:57 pm
blackfeathers
thebruce wrote:
...or getting uber-analytical, why does the data card visibly pulse
and
audibly pulse? What size batteries does it take?
uber-analytically, i thought about using an smd led peering out of a pinhole found at the triangle portion of the tray. someone at rpf suggested using a cr1216 battery, which is thin enough and just the right diameter to fit right behind it. audible pulse might not be practically possible. a diy work in progress still in the research stage.
my necklace:
no clear pics to go by, hence repeated viewings. lol
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:48 pm
Euchre
thebruce wrote:
...or getting uber-analytical, why does the data card visibly pulse
and
audibly pulse? What size batteries does it take?
Its the size and shape of a unicorn tear, because that's what it really is. Its power is infinite and so is its compactness.
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:50 am
thebruce
...or getting uber-analytical, why does the data card visibly pulse
and
audibly pulse? What size batteries does it take?
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:46 am
Euchre
thebruce wrote:
What is the 'light'?
Artistic interpretation?
The brilliance of Kevin's mind expressed in the digital world as he wills CLU back inside himself?
Or maybe my best answer...
Not worth fretting over?
The film cost $170 million to make, and has just grossed a bit over $171 million. Yay for profitability!
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:44 am
thebruce
If we're getting technical, we don't even know the nature of the 'data' the consists of Kevin's disc and/or 'programming' (as he'd appear in the system). Assuming memories, thoughts processes, essentially the genetic digital code that needs to be stored...
So I guess the question is... what was the nature of the process of creating Kevin's "likeness"? Why is "reintegration" the only way to beat CLU? What is the nature of the "reintegration" process? And what happens to the 'program' (user or not) data during the "integration" process?
In what form is the remaining data that comprised Kevin and Clu? (morphed? corrupted? erased?) Is Kevin's original digital-dna source code still available in some fashion? (reverse engineering the 'reintegration' result?)
What is the 'light'?
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:33 am
emeraldbeacon
Regarding the chip around Sam's neck, consider Moore's Law, which states (roughly) that the effective size and power of computers doubles every two years... a fact that has remained generally true since the mid sixties. Given that, a computer that was state of the art in 1989 would be roughly a THOUSAND times smaller in 2010. It's conceivable that the chip in question, which really is comparable to a thumb drive in terms of its size, could possibly contain the entirety of the server. In retrospect, could Sam afford NOT to copy everything? His dad could be anywhere, and probably wouldn't be a recognizable filename in the system (I doubt that he assigned a 'k_flynn.dat' file to store himself when he hopped into the system)... but Encom's servers could make short work of the data in that system, and possibly secure Kevin's data for eventual extraction.
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:51 am
Vectoralpha
blackfeathers wrote:
relevant to this thread but not in the immediate discussion:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
i haven't seen this discussed anywhere but one potential for a future sequel they could address is that sam's necklace chip possibly still contains encom's os 12 master file copies, as well as whatever he downloaded from his father's server.
some things they could do with this concept:
they could use that as a plot device or component, having whatever is in that chip interacting with each other in some way. it could rebuild or integrate the grid and have the option of bringing back kevin flynn. after all, the original flynn code was the foundation of os 12.
if the rumours of dillinger jr. are true, they could create an mcp 2.0 type character from the locked-down os as a security program in his likeness. integrating or injecting a new os 12 world with the grid from legacy could be a possibility, resulting in new designs and interactions. they can even use that video of marv the dog as a grid prank on the new mcp to parallel the real world event.
just to cover bases as a fellow wordplayer reader: i know that some writers like to purposely avoid topics that have been speculated by fans for legal reasons. however, just speculating here as a fan and i won't sue disney or the writers if they touch on these seemingly extrapolated ideas. just saying it seems that these story elements are plausible.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
lets not forget Rinzler/TRON lost his disc in the fight on the tower and then fell in to the Sea of Simulation and the last shot in the grid show was of the shore during the explosion and everything above the water was whipped out but the water was calm.
I agree the left hints about Dillinger JR and that fact Sam had his dad disc when he went back might mean Kevin is on the sim card and that's why he has it around his neck. Flynn OS 12 was put on the net and Alan did download it when he showed everyone his Ipad. Oh side note I notice in the first TRON movie they used Apple IIe same ones they used in LOST
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:37 pm
blackfeathers
relevant to this thread but not in the immediate discussion:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
i haven't seen this discussed anywhere but one potential for a future sequel they could address is that sam's necklace chip possibly still contains encom's os 12 master file copies, as well as whatever he downloaded from his father's server.
some things they could do with this concept:
they could use that as a plot device or component, having whatever is in that chip interacting with each other in some way. it could rebuild or integrate the grid and have the option of bringing back kevin flynn. after all, the original flynn code was the foundation of os 12.
if the rumours of dillinger jr. are true, they could create an mcp 2.0 type character from the locked-down os as a security program in his likeness. integrating or injecting a new os 12 world with the grid from legacy could be a possibility, resulting in new designs and interactions. they can even use that video of marv the dog as a grid prank on the new mcp to parallel the real world event.
just to cover bases as a fellow wordplayer reader: i know that some writers like to purposely avoid topics that have been speculated by fans for legal reasons. however, just speculating here as a fan and i won't sue disney or the writers if they touch on these seemingly extrapolated ideas. just saying it seems that these story elements are plausible.
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:17 pm
Guest
Vectoralpha wrote:
Euchre wrote:
They're called baoding balls:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baoding_Balls
Made famous by Captain Queeg and later Jareth, the Goblin King.
I think he was using them to make the battle floors switch
that was my thoughts exactly.
Also, i think they are more than just baoding balls, they are black with a white ring and oranges lights inside.
On a side note, since we've located Flynns toys (thanks to blackfeathers), unless someone can locate CLU's toys, I'd like to see if we can make some. Anyone interested?
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:40 am
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