Session Start: Thu Dec 03 18:29:14 2009 Session Ident: #Dollhouse 03[18:29] * Now talking in #Dollhouse 03[18:29] * Topic is '#Dollhouse The fight for the future begins! http://www.ditchthetech.com | Who you gonna call? http://www.spectrin.com | Get started here: http://dollhouse.wikibruce.com | Follow along on uF http://bit.ly/3jBdVP' 03[18:29] * Set by PostLarval on Mon Nov 16 14:01:21 01[18:29] hello all 01[18:29] coveredwagonkid here 01[18:30] im setting up this computer to log the PM chat tonight incase my other one screws up 01[18:30] i plan to post the log in the forum after the chat for those who cant attend 03[18:34] * IlionBlaze (IlionBlaze@chat-solu-FE5ABF1A.gv.shawcable.net) has joined #Dollhouse 03[19:13] * Chixor1 (Chixor1@chat-solu-4130F2FA.dhcp.insightbb.com) has joined #Dollhouse 03[19:23] * thebruce (b.yaffy@chat-solu-5BFE4BB8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #Dollhouse 03[19:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +o thebruce [19:23] hey :) [19:24] hey :) [19:25] howdy :) [19:26] when does it start? because I'm sooooo tired [19:26] in 30 i think [19:27] ok I think I can make it til then :D [19:29] hehe *hugz* another early shift? [19:31] hmm... not really. it's 1:30 am and I've got a free day tomorrow. but I'm just really tired [19:32] ohh your in the EU? [19:32] yes [19:32] ahh very cool :) Then yes, it's very ate for you :( [19:32] late [19:35] I think I will fall asleep soon. I can't write in english in this state :D [19:37] Well I have the chat being logged so I can post it later tonight [19:40] yeah I know. that's great thanks. I gonna try to stay awake for awhile anyway :) 06[19:41] * Chixor1 ties you to the chat room [19:41] you cant go anywhere now mwahhahahahaha 03[19:41] * elvenkayt (lurker@chat-solu-79A54EC5.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #Dollhouse [19:42] don't know about that ;) [19:42] hehe 02[19:45] * elvenkayt (lurker@chat-solu-79A54EC5.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Quit: http://unfiction.com/chat/) 03[20:26] * JLCB (lurker@chat-solu-BD86D188.br.br.cox.net) has joined #Dollhouse [20:26] hey everyone :0) 02[20:27] * JLCB (lurker@chat-solu-BD86D188.br.br.cox.net) Quit (Quit: http://unfiction.com/chat/) 03[20:27] * JLCB (lurker@chat-solu-BD86D188.br.br.cox.net) has joined #Dollhouse [20:27] hi [20:28] Feels like a re-union in here! :D 06[20:28] * Chixor1 hugz the room :) 03[20:30] * coveredwagonkid (wIRCer@chat-solu-6FEC8250.pools.spcsdns.net) has joined #Dollhouse [20:33] hey :) [20:34] hello all [20:34] 10hey 03[20:45] * CSJava4619 (CSJava4619@chat-solu-38EEE55E.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #Dollhouse 03[20:45] * CSJava4619 is now known as MJinMichigan [20:45] I've got my computer setup to log everything tonight [20:45] hi :) [20:46] CWK has it covered :) [20:46] Hey Chixor...nice commissioned pic of Matt. Man, I hate that guy. [20:46] lol [20:46] i like to help fill up peoples days with useless tasks :) [20:47] Quite worthwhile in my opinion [20:47] that pic was hilarious! [20:47] the miley bus thing was fun too XD [20:48] I'm watching the end of Bones and I swear that Brennan has Asperger's. [20:48] it's amazing how many people show signs of aspergers but its so under diagnosed [20:49] Agreed...and it's sort of weird how many of them are my friends. [20:50] :) [20:50] I think my little brother has it, I dont know how to approach my mum about having him tested for it though 03[20:51] * EllaC (lurker@chat-solu-8632CB58.triad.res.rr.com) has joined #Dollhouse [20:51] Yeah, family dynamics can be weird. Easier for me because my mom taught a LOT of kids with autism of all sorts. Highly recommend the testing though. [20:54] yay! someone is going to post all of the chat, right? 03[20:54] * rantbysong (lurker@chat-solu-5DF7808A.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #Dollhouse [20:54] 10CWK i believe [20:54] yup [20:55] yea I'll put in the forum tonight [20:55] cool. I'm going to be in and out -- getting the christmas tree took a little longer than we thought... [20:55] More folks in here already then I've seen the last few weeks -- this is gonna be GREAT!! [20:55] no worries Ella we'l keep your seat [20:55] Is it supposed to start in 5 minutes? [20:55] yup [20:56] i believe so 03[20:56] * maxbell (lurker@chat-solu-73CA8F19.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #Dollhouse [20:56] yay yay yay! (is it weird that I'm so excited?) [20:57] Nope, I am too!! [20:57] Not especially. [20:57] 10ha. no ella :0 [20:57] 10:0) [20:57] Show will be back tomorrow. [20:57] not at all [20:57] What's weird? [20:57] heya Max [20:57] Hello, Chixor! [20:57] double dollhouse! [20:57] I can't get over the feeling that I should be waiting for Alex to turn up. [20:57] DOUBLE DOLLHOUSE DECEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [20:57] Hey Max...I'm super excited for a double dose of DH tomorrow night [20:57] Ditto. 03[20:58] * whyiwatch (lurker@chat-solu-B128219A.acedsl.com) has joined #Dollhouse [20:58] Yayy 03[20:58] * Kayti (lurker@chat-solu-79A54EC5.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #Dollhouse [20:58] I'm definitely interested to know what the tie in will be [20:58] Welcome :) [20:58] hello CTPs! :) [20:58] Yes I agree. How can they tie it in to the DC Dollhouse.. [20:58] Thanks [20:58] I heard something suggesting it could be the tatoos too. [20:58] yes it is...my friends want me to go to first Friday in dwtn Winston, but I'm thinking about skipping and staying home [20:58] Howdy!!! [20:58] HI! [20:58] IlionBlaze: me too! [20:58] Did you guys all read Mo Ryan's interview with Joss? [20:58] [20:58] I thought that was kind of interesting. [20:58] I have a party hat for Alex's birthday :) [20:58] Me too...hmmmm...Kilo [20:59] Do you have a link to it, Max? 03[20:59] * Nos (lurker@chat-solu-24CEE59D.drtel.net) has joined #Dollhouse [20:59] Sure. Half a moment. [20:59] i have a bottle of wine all set for tomorrow! [20:59] Hey Nos :) Long time no see [20:59] Cheers :) [20:59] Heya guys :) [20:59] 10im thinking of having a glass of wine in sara's honor tomorrow night as well [20:59] I was surprised that Joss isn't writing any of the remaining episodes [20:59] http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/ [20:59] here: http://tinyurl.com/ykp6vub [20:59] Yep...I think there will be plenty of us toasting her tomorrow night [21:00] I, myself, plan to make a plate of toasted cheese sandwiches tomorrow, which is how I celebrate anything to do with TV. [21:00] lol max [21:00] lol [21:00] @ max: ROTFL [21:00] and robert too! [21:00] I drank about a pint of absinth during the last episode of BSG and got Adama'ed. [21:00] I quit drinking after that. [21:00] Thanks for the link [21:00] haha [21:01] 10ha [21:01] wow. [21:01] I got a BSG sleeve on behalf of the show [21:01] OK, since it's 9pm, shall we begin? [21:01] Wow. [21:01] Sure. [21:01] Yes, Please [21:01] YAY...please do! [21:01] Yes [21:01] I got pretty upset at Sara dying. [21:01] 10yep! [21:01] woo. [21:01] SO DID I. i felt back b/c i convinced her to join Twitter [21:02] OK, first of all, let me say a huge THANK YOU for playing, for all your attention, for making it worth all the effort and making me excited to get back to the characters every single day [21:02] Holy cow, thank you back for all that effort! [21:02] Yes, thanks for all the fun! [21:02] Yes, Thanks for all the work put into it [21:02] ditto! [21:03] Oh. Hello Alex/Sara/Matt/Paul Etc. [21:03] it was a lot of fun -- and the characters were belivable [21:03] Indeed. [21:03] it pleases me greatly that everyone got so attached to these people and it made some of the endings all the harder, but I was just as interested it what was happening as you guys were (if not more ;) [21:03] 10it was my first ARG. a lot of fun and very intriguing [21:03] She did an awesome job didn't she? Hehe [21:03] Yes. [21:03] yes she did :) [21:03] Yep [21:04] I've been online a little more than twenty years (minus potty breaks) and the characters were as convincing as people I actually know IRL. [21:04] Yeah, she definitely deserves this weekend off, lol [21:04] well, it was my first ARG as well, but Nos is a seasoned veteral and she held my hand and my spirit and she and Kayti talked me through tons of it, so they deserve a tremendous thank you as well. [21:04] 10then thanks to Nos and Kayti too! [21:04] Thank you, NOS. [21:04] thank you! :) (now I know who to blame my new addiction on.) [21:04] thats rather impressive..being that its your first ARG [21:04] I was impressed too :p [21:04] I think I was just there to cheer you on, hon [21:05] i love telling stories and am now addicted to telling them this way :) [21:05] Good to see Nos again, was pleasantly suprised in the credits :) [21:05] kudos to all involved! [21:05] WhyIWatch: Was this a totally fan led effort like whyiwatch.com or was there some relationship/consultation/anything with Joss & Co.? [21:05] It was nice to jump back on the horse. :) [21:05] Kayti actually wrote the blog entry where she coined the term CTPs, so you have her to thank for that one. [21:05] I guess I'm asking, what was the genesis of the game? [21:05] Thank you, Katy. 03[21:05] * lurker (lurker@chat-solu-A52BF374.user.msu.edu) has joined #Dollhouse 03[21:06] * Lyriclyinclined (Kira@chat-solu-1FA4CF5F.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #Dollhouse [21:06] hey Kira :) [21:06] hi chix <3 [21:06] I actually have a Facebook group called CTPs, now. [21:06] and hello my old friend nos [21:06] Max, that is awesome [21:06] its been quite a while [21:06] maxbell: fantastic! [21:06] Hello :) [21:06] Ilion, I'm in a very tricky position of having to make sure that certain people don't get in trouble with certain networks. so, my answer is: it was a fan effort, but it was not in isolation [21:06] Gotcha! *wink* [21:06] Hee! [21:06] just a reminder to all: I am logging this and will post in the forum [21:06] :) 03[21:06] * lurker is now known as Guest22701 [21:07] 10:0) [21:07] was Matt really the bad guy? [21:07] Mandatory anti-Fox rant: Fox sucks. [21:07] Matt seemed to me like a guy with mislead intentions. [21:07] one of my concerns was, that if people were going to spend all this time on the game, i didn't want it to be for nothing. so i tried to be as foreshadow-y without being spoilerish as i could [21:07] whyiwatch: what was the other ending you hinted about? [21:07] whyiwatch: were there any alternative endings? [21:08] firstly, the reason why the game had to end on monday is because it should've ended on friday ;) [21:08] i meant, last friday [21:08] oh heh [21:08] 10why is that? [21:08] thank goodness -- i would have hated missing the end! [21:09] uh oh [21:09] the characters kept getting more and more complex and so i stretched it out as much as i could to give them time to be who they were. even so, i'm sorry that i had to rush it. 02[21:09] * Guest22701 (lurker@chat-solu-A52BF374.user.msu.edu) Quit (Quit: http://unfiction.com/chat/) 03[21:09] * filmchick4peace (lurker@chat-solu-7EA05814.indy.res.rr.com) has joined #Dollhouse [21:09] 01Yeah I think throughout we could actually feel the game being rushed. [21:09] we're just plotwhores....we would try to drag it out of you as long as we could :) [21:09] the reason it needed to end is b/c ihave spent the last 3 days (should've been a week) building a new DH promo site and a trailer with Nos' help [21:10] 10awesome! [21:10] Sounds like you should write for television, WIW. [21:10] cool! [21:10] WAY cool! [21:10] that was supposed to be ready for this week, but guess who's pulling another all-nighter, so that it's ready for tomorrow :) [21:10] oh, crap. sorry! [21:10] heh [21:10] :D [21:10] eeep [21:10] anything we can do to help? [21:10] 01Wow good luck with that! [21:10] whyiwatch: link? 03[21:10] * notgordian (notgordian@chat-solu-D905A1DE.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #Dollhouse [21:10] That's more ambition than I have. [21:11] Yeah, let us know if we can help. CTP's are a force, ya know. [21:11] so, since i had to keep you all entertained, i couldn't just drop the plot or work on the trailer and real work and leave the game hanging [21:11] 01I wish you mucho caffeine! :) [21:11] having said that, i really wish we'd had another week. [21:11] She' [21:11] 10your dedication is awesome. thanks for that. [21:11] s a machine, I tell ya [21:11] 01You did a great job. [21:11] I guess. Wow. [21:11] anyway - back to the ending: there were two possible endings: Alex gets away and Alex gets caught by Rossum [21:12] you are unbeleivebly hard core [21:12] 01I agree...the dedication and effort put into this.. [21:12] We were so close! [21:12] 01So she would've gotten away to Asian where Paul would send her there? [21:12] Nos beat TINAG into my head, so I tried to have everything happen as logically as it could 03[21:12] * dreamerblue (dreamerblu@chat-solu-52EA5FF1.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #Dollhouse [21:12] and she was almost there! how much more would it have taken her to get out? [21:12] 10thought she was for sure going to make it if she could contact paul [21:13] Was it just a matter of if anyone said the trigger phrase before her plane took off? [21:13] logically, if a corporation as large as Rossum wants you b/c you're very important for their tests, the chances of getting away are about 1-5% and i'm being charitable [21:13] so, i left Alex a path and put 4 traps in [21:13] Seems reasonable [21:13] whyiwatch: 4? [21:13] which trap did she get in? [21:13] 1st was the motel. had she stayed there and helped sara, the police would've gotten her and then handed her to rossum who are all connected [21:14] but you guys were smart and told her to run [21:14] then, she was going to stay in her apartment in the afternoon and rossum were going to get her, but you guys told her to get out asap. [21:14] we're a cynical bunch [21:14] :) [21:15] 01Very much so. [21:15] then there was the WTF phrase which was going to make her disoriented and based in where she was she may or may not have gotten away [21:15] and an appropriately paranoid bunch ;-) [21:15] well -- I told y'all about the shady childhood. ;) [21:15] lol [21:15] 10darn phrase. that was tricky [21:15] however, rossum got 2 calls on that 206 number telling them that Alex was fleeing and then another that her blog gave her location [21:15] So we fell into trap 3? [21:15] who called? [21:15] so those vans she saw were very real [21:15] WHAT?!?!?!?!?! [21:15] 01What?! [21:16] 10?? [21:16] what?!? [21:16] Oh wow... so someone was playing for the other team! [21:16] *Whistles* [21:16] ??? [21:16] yeah, I did not expect that [21:16] we were right!! [21:16] Wish I would have thought of that. [21:16] ohh maxie [21:16] 01Didn't see that coming! [21:16] no idea. we had over 500 calls to that number. a lot of hang-ups, but there were a bunch of spies too [21:16] Oh, Max [21:16] for a while i thought max was one of them [21:16] filmchick4peace: me neither [21:16] 10ithought the one that said the trigger was a spy [21:16] hee! [21:16] Hahahahahaha! [21:16] there were also people who called pretending to be alex and saying she accepts the offer [21:16] no, I talked to her -- if she's a spy, she's really good. [21:16] I thought it was hilarious and thought back to ILB [21:17] which is why she got the e-mail? [21:17] but i figured rossum would know her voice & number and would've ignored those [21:17] alex is not the princess you are looking for XD [21:17] Hee [21:17] yeah, chixor - that's what nos told me too [21:17] :) [21:18] Wow, I never even considered players playing for the other side!! [21:18] It happens more often than people think :p [21:18] 01Me either, guess next time we'll dial up the paranoia to 11! [21:18] oh, the things I have learned.... [21:18] lol [21:18] anyway, there was one last trap at the airport (which we didn't get to), where they were going to pull her aside and ask her where she was born, and (forgetting she had a different passport) she'd say 'toronto' [21:18] well, we did have the checking the spies episode -- is Amber in here? [21:18] Does one of you guys live out here, or did you just get a cheap deal on a 206 phone number? [21:19] then they were going to tell her to wait there and she could've gotten away with your help and then gotten onto a different flight [21:19] 01That's true, we went through our new followers. [21:19] 10that you did lol [21:19] 206 number was a free voicemail box [21:19] 01That's what I was worried about, airport security! [21:19] Awesome. [21:19] hold on, trying to read through all the stuff [21:19] i honestly thought for a while that Paul was going to be the bad guy :/ [21:20] That would be very Jossy wouldn't it [21:20] paul is/was a very good guy [21:20] 10i thought Matt was being blackmailed and Sara was the bad one. [21:20] The least likely person you suspect [21:20] Chixor1: me too, especially since he couldn't be contacted [21:20] alex was in fact a sleeper and she was going to kill sara, though you guys changed that [21:20] 01There was also the idea that Alex did this on purpose and all along that it was a plot to sabatoge Spectrin? [21:20] How? [21:21] really? [21:21] 01Wow. [21:21] 01I remember reading that on the forum [21:21] We were right? [21:21] 01What would have set her off? [21:21] Oh, that would've been too much for me to take!! heh [21:21] yes, she didn't want to ditch her phone, but you guys convinced her to. [21:21] Don't pick up the phone and all [21:21] what would have happened if she had killed Sara? [21:21] remember, she didn't know any of this. who she said she was is who she thought she was [21:21] So a point I'd like cleared up: Did Matt post the Sara at Spectrin message on WTF or did he get access to the site *after* that message. And if he posted it then why did he want Alex to stay away from her? (And why give info about the tattoos if he didn't want Alex tattooed?) [21:22] How many times did Alex have to be told something (like ditch the phone) for her to actually do it? [21:22] 10thats why i thought sara was the bad one-bc matt told her to leave out the ingredient that was absorbed into the skin more quickly [21:22] matt said something like alex shouldn't be with sara, not because he didn't like sara but because he knew it wasn't safe for any of them [21:22] did anyone ask Alex during the game if she would like to have a treatment? [21:22] 10thought it was act as an activator rather than a blocker [21:23] Ahhh I see [21:23] chxor, she was not a doll. she just had certain things imprinted like the trust for matt and some very violent capabilities [21:23] ahh ok [21:23] 01"Adjustments" [21:23] which im assuming why the sore back? [21:23] 10"fine tuning" [21:23] Who else will forever be creeped out by the word "adjustments"? [21:24] rossum wanted her to go to them voluntarily b/c they were planning on using the research relatively openly so they could get bills passed. [21:24] Ventrilloquism. [21:24] 01Some intense tuning I presume [21:24] multiple imprint ability [21:24] I think even poor Sierra had a sore back after her tuning too [21:24] so, they were going to try everything they could to get her openly rather than just abduct her [21:24] think about how violent the chair is -- that would throw you out of aligntment! [21:24] That looked pretty brutal 06[21:24] * Chixor1 sigh [21:25] and there goes my chance of a date with topher [21:25] the fine-tuning involved all kinds of test as well as some imprinting without wiping [21:25] 01Well we haven't seen exactly how violent the chair can be yet. [21:25] Hey now, Topher is mine :p [21:25] :p [21:25] 10amen @chixor [21:25] 10ha [21:25] 01Friday's episode..is the chair at its worse [21:25] 10the preview looked rather wicked [21:25] 01Yes it does. [21:25] anyway, regarding matt, he actually became the most interesting character to me and is the main reason why i'm sorry i didn't have another week. [21:26] what happened to him? [21:26] I wanted him to redeem himself :( [21:26] 01I wondered about him... He didn't seem truly evil at first, just morally compromised... [21:26] and is his real name matt -- b/c he said he "assumed" the id of matt [21:26] 01Complex. [21:26] i think he is currently attic-ed or something similar. though if i ever revisit this, he *will* get out [21:26] sweet [21:26] *rubs her hand together* [21:26] Even though I would love to stab him [21:27] seconded! [21:27] hee a friend and I were wondering if he's supposed to be the new doll who shows up. [21:27] 01Ha, MJ! :) [21:27] Or will he....bwahahahaha! [21:27] 01That'd be interesting [21:27] 01If he were a new doll [21:27] we stabbed him earlier today. :( Sorry [21:27] 01Yes, lovely picture [21:27] hahahaha [21:27] in the other timeline without the videos, he fell for alex, believed that she needed the brain operation so that she wouldn't die like her dad (who btw was never tested on - i don't know how you guys got that idea) and was happy when she accepted the rossum offer [21:27] I guess that answers that question [21:27] mspaint style [21:28] however, when they wiped her, he went rogue and he's actually the one who got sara to help her [21:28] this matt didn't know all that but had nothing against sara. [21:28] interesting [21:28] ah [21:28] 01Makes sense... [21:28] hmn... so where did he end up in the first future? [21:29] 01dead i presume? [21:29] the alex from the future didn't have bad feeling for the matt she'd known then since he never betrayed her b/c the videos didn't happen there and so there was no fine-tuning needed [21:29] yes he ended up dead and in that future alex ended up with sara [21:29] Primer. [21:29] Yeah, from the video that mentions Matt, he seemed kind of peripheral [21:30] Much easier to follow, however. [21:30] i think in the other future alex never got as attached to matt. they were just dating, she got a new job, then disappeared. [21:30] in a weird way all the drama in this present got her to care a lot more for him and had her at odds with sara [21:30] Makes sense [21:31] who shot Alex in the future ? or do we not know? [21:31] (which i found very interesting) [21:31] but he felt responsible... [21:31] wielder/enforcer types [21:31] ok [21:31] How many times did a character have to be told something (like telling Alex to ditch the phone) for her to actually do it? [21:31] wielders? [21:31] yes, ella - exactly. in both times matt felt responsible, just in different ways. [21:31] MJ, it really depends on how it is said and the level of trust the character has with the person telling them [21:31] There is no 'set' amount of times [21:32] 10so is alex's future basically the same now that she took the job with rossum? [21:32] also, you gotta remember that when he got the access to wtf from the future, he still had allegience to rossum, so he was torn and playing both sides [21:32] Remember, the characters have to react to everything as if they were real people [21:32] OK -- this having been my first ARG, and as I am now quite interested in the PM role, I was curious. Thanks!! [21:32] 01So in the other timeline, Alex was wiped for awhile and just that? [21:32] did we under utilize the Rossum website? [21:32] AKA we really screwed things up? [21:33] and did you plan on having one of the most Fatal grassroots args? [21:33] lol [21:33] were there other rossum logins? [21:33] 10same except for the sara/matt part i mean [21:33] heh [21:33] she was wiped, she recovered partially though never completely and she fought along with others (incl sara, robert, paul, may, etc) [21:33] 01oh I see [21:33] It's my hope that a year down the road Paul is able to create the ink and find Alex. ;) [21:34] rossum site is still active and we plan on having a bit more fun with it in the next while, though not so much as an intense game as just clues for the next eps and viral marketing [21:34] And that Paul and May are able to start fighting Rossum [21:34] And Rachel...don't forget Rachel. :) [21:34] i don't think you guys screwed up and i actually would've been stunned if alex had gotten out. [21:34] 01Yes i was wondering about her [21:35] i think in many ways she needs to go through what she needs to go through so she can have the fortitude to fight [21:35] I was just confused, because I guess in the first ARG (which I missed) the doll escapes. [21:35] dude, I missed it too [21:35] also, paul will be her sara now - as he actually stated. [21:36] I want to know more about Spectrin! Did you design the site on a whim in 2004 and decided to put it to good use now? How old was Sara (to be cited in a book published in the 50s) etc [21:36] 10i didnt know there was another one [21:36] im glad im not a shareholder of spectrin [21:36] btw, husband the DM says "Very Ravenloft ending" -- he's quite impressed [21:36] lol [21:36]