[3:56pm] how many hours until 7:00 EST? [3:56pm] 0 [3:57pm] um 7 minutes [3:57pm] i have good timing then [3:57pm] or i was lucky ;P [3:57pm] * !jamesi has to type with one hand only, until rebekah goes to sleep ;) [3:58pm] ScrappyDoo (scarpegros@3ee19918.3cbc6b2b.2c546df3.2e099bf0X) has joined. Ť14 peopleť [3:59pm] woo scrappy [3:59pm] heya justin [3:59pm] ltns [3:59pm] i'm typing with 8 fingers, cause i cut two [3:59pm] <@Gupfee> scrappEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [4:00pm] <@Martavius> mornin, SG [4:00pm] gupFEEEEE [4:00pm] morning, martania [4:01pm] Gupfee (marielamb@1c3ff672.262dee27.client2.attbi.com) is now known as Gup|JMX_Chat [4:02pm] * Price does a little dance, and pours a few shots of Jack for the party. [4:02pm] 6:00 here [4:03pm] * @Gup|JMX_Chat points to the EST in the topic [4:03pm] <@Martavius> yer clock's fast [4:03pm] 6:00 CST here [4:03pm] <@Martavius> I've got 6:57 [4:03pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> I've got 7:04 [4:03pm] i've got a wiggly baby on my lap ;P [4:04pm] 11:00 am here [4:04pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> keep yer perversions to yourself :P [4:04pm] let's get it on [4:04pm] time.gov says its 7 [4:04pm] <@dnbmathguy> oh, sure, resort to the US government [4:04pm] that's what us canadians do [4:04pm] silence, NARC [4:05pm] So... welcome to the Endgame chat... we have our esteemed PMs here [4:05pm] all of them have ops, except for one... [4:05pm] jamesi sets mode: +o Aveena [4:05pm] and that changes that ;) [4:05pm] so, fire away with your questions about mythos ;) [4:05pm] Whose fault? [4:05pm] * Price loads the shotgun. [4:05pm] <@Martavius> of course that's the first one [4:05pm] Aveena ŤAveena@13919cb5.3682fb09.client.comcast.netť has Quit iRC (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) [4:06pm] lol [4:06pm] oops, misfire [4:06pm] <@dnbmathguy> and of course, she gets pinged out [4:06pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> you kilt a PM! [4:06pm] now, whose fault was it REALLY? [4:06pm] yes, please fess up on Mythos [4:07pm] * !jamesi deflects blame [4:07pm] Addlepated (addlepated@18251e65.2e099bf0.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined. Ť14 peopleť [4:07pm] * @Gup|JMX_Chat points to the canadian [4:07pm] Mart was Mr. Mythos. [4:07pm] * @Martavius bows [4:07pm] Or should I say, the genius behind it all. [4:07pm] Mart....... I knew we hated you for a good reason ;) [4:07pm] Not terribly surprising, bastard that he is. [4:07pm] <@the42guy> OF course. [4:08pm] * !jamesi giggles at the early tone of this chat [4:08pm] ZMaiden (Aymelek@2e099bf0.28a85a1b.tn.comcast.net) has joined. Ť15 peopleť [4:08pm] <@Martavius> yes, I was responsible for almost all of Mythos [4:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> I confess: to this day, I still don't understand mythos fully [4:08pm] celina63 (celina63@a9a2d23.1b4962bd.3d6b14e3.2e1bf8a9X) has joined. Ť16 peopleť [4:08pm] ChanServ sets mode: +o celina63 [4:08pm] <@Palindrone> [celina63] Yeah, I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work. [4:08pm] And I had to jump in when brute forcing was an issue. [4:09pm] <@celina63> brute force?!?! [4:09pm] * @celina63 smacks the brute forcers [4:09pm] but I had no part in the overall difficulty of the puzzle series. [4:09pm] <@dnbmathguy> if I recall, one of the answers was messed up, and mart wasn't around [4:09pm] <@dnbmathguy> and so jamesi and I had to try and figure it out for ourselves. [4:09pm] I dunno what else you guys expected when a 7 letter unique substitution was on the table. [4:09pm] and that brought about hilarious results [4:10pm] someone was bound to do it. [4:10pm] <@Martavius> it was possible [4:10pm] <@the42guy> yah, especially when it decrypted to niglfar or whatever [4:10pm] <@Martavius> all you had to do was work on Norse terms [4:10pm] Mart, cracking WEP encryption is possible. [4:10pm] that doesnt make it easy or timely in any sense of the word [4:11pm] <@Martavius> fair enough [4:11pm] <@Martavius> which is why the hints were given out' [4:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> well, you guys did work on the norse terms [4:11pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> you guys turned into hint whores [4:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> or was that the one you guys did *gasp* in order? [4:11pm] Hah! Hint whores! good one! [4:11pm] gup; easily said from that side of the curtain :) [4:12pm] heh [4:12pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> "wah, I can't solve this--gimme a hint" [4:12pm] <@the42guy> thats our nature [4:12pm] <@the42guy> we complained [4:12pm] * !jamesi sends in some warm, sea breeze to calm the room down [4:12pm] <@the42guy> but eventually solved things [4:12pm] <@the42guy> :) [4:12pm] I do want to say we really found Ptah through twisted logic (we were unlimately wrong, of course) but not all our false solves were bruted [4:12pm] which makes me wonder: what puzzle left you guys stumped as to why we were completely stumped? [4:12pm] <@Martavius> several, actually [4:13pm] <@Martavius> "Vampire primes" comes to mind [4:13pm] <@dnbmathguy> Puzzle Creator Rule #1: The puzzles you think are gonna be showstoppers, aren't. [4:13pm] <@dnbmathguy> Corrolary #1: The puzzles you don't think are going to be showstoppers, are. [4:13pm] .il, for example :D [4:13pm] Case in point: Iceland [4:14pm] that one too [4:14pm] <@Martavius> Israel shouldn't have been overly difficult [4:14pm] in theory. [4:14pm] you stare at puzzles long enough in one way, and a quick switch to a different type will leave you beat [4:15pm] What made a puzzle difficult yto solve, imho, was it's obscurity. [4:15pm] <@dnbmathguy> there were several times when I wondered why you guys didn't have the answer [4:15pm] colin Ťcolin@17dc4bf9.1c3781d3.31a16b5d.307e4d48Xť has Quit iRC (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) [4:16pm] <@dnbmathguy> of course, I can't think of any examples off the top of my head [4:16pm] heh [4:16pm] It was the same story as we've heard from other PMs too -- we were really really wanting you guys to solve puzzles when you were stumped. [4:17pm] Your pain was our pain. [4:17pm] group hug? ;) [4:17pm] somehow I doubt that *rubs a nice dent in the drywall* [4:17pm] heh [4:17pm] get your hands off my ass [4:18pm] Bill`afk (~toppsoft@2b6f2293.3065b4fc.tampabay.rr.com) is now known as Bill`fmx [4:18pm] Bill`fmx (~toppsoft@2b6f2293.3065b4fc.tampabay.rr.com) is now known as Bill`jmx [4:18pm] oops [4:18pm] heh [4:18pm] but you know i've waited sooo long for that Sam... [4:18pm] <@dnbmathguy> lemme check my logs [4:18pm] man I made it [4:19pm] So, what did you guys/gals like/dislike? Find interesting/boring/annoying? [4:19pm] i'm very curious about the "original premises" in which this was a test for something else [4:19pm] ah [4:19pm] hold on [4:20pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:21] * dnbmathguy is ready to shout "VIGENERE!!!" if need be [4:20pm] k, baby was antsy [4:20pm] Its no secret that I really, really hate "find this picture on the web" type puzzles. But I'm an oddity -- crypto is easy for me to throw myself at a lot. [4:20pm] After stage 2, I had the idea to bring in some character interaction. [4:20pm] well if it's a test then price and sin were top of the class [4:20pm] vraal's a machine :D [4:21pm] <@the42guy> yes, yes he is [4:21pm] i agree, you guys rocked [4:21pm] scary good that guy is [4:21pm] so are you though price [4:21pm] maybe with crypto... vraal's really good with the obscure connections though [4:22pm] <@dnbmathguy> where is he, anyway? [4:22pm] So, we decided to bring in this idea that the JMX was actually a 'test' for puzzle solvers... that a group of individuals needed a genius crypto person to help in their quest for something... [4:22pm] <@Martavius> Brandon - afaik, there was never a need for you to find any of the pics we used [4:22pm] mart; .it [4:22pm] <@Martavius> fair enough [4:23pm] ... which led to Samantha and her group. The basic premise was to have the first person through the Knowledge of Triad was to get word of the 6th and final stage, which was to be a trail that led to the final prize [4:24pm] shit, brb again [4:24pm] <@dnbmathguy> translation: it was a cool idea, but then we sorta abandoned it [4:25pm] sorry folks, my wife got called into work and i'm alone with my daughter... i'm gonna try to relocate the computer to the living room and see if she'll stay out of trouble in there [4:25pm] i'll be back in 10 [4:25pm] jamesi Ťjamesi@25b55acd.2b3a2604.wp.shawcable.netť has Quit iRC (Qm9vdHk/) [4:25pm] <@dnbmathguy> we also had hoped to have stages 3, 4, and 5 start at the same time [4:26pm] _that_ would have been trouble [4:26pm] <@Martavius> which we almost did [4:26pm] three paths in mythos really did us in, let alone three stages. [4:26pm] dbn: agreed... or at least have that number grid be active lol [4:27pm] <@the42guy> that stupid number grid. gah. [4:27pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> any other questions while jamesi takes care of business? [4:27pm] dnb; lemme ask... was kgetwhoiz a _really_ lucky coincidence? [4:27pm] <@dnbmathguy> kgetwhoiz? [4:28pm] Sin_Vraal (~Sin@20db5883.f8171.dyn.optonline.net) has joined. Ť15 peopleť [4:28pm] ChanServ sets mode: +o Sin_Vraal [4:28pm] <@Palindrone> [Sin_Vraal] Sin_Vraal : Martavius :: butt : hole [4:28pm] <@dnbmathguy> most likely, yes [4:28pm] * @the42guy is befuddled too. [4:28pm] <@Sin_Vraal> wow, even scrappy's in here again [4:28pm] vraal! 'bout time! [4:28pm] <@Martavius> Brandon - just a lucky coincidence [4:28pm] <@Sin_Vraal> excuse me, but SOME of us work :) [4:28pm] yeah, yeah, wave the flags [4:28pm] in the caleb adler puzzle, if you mod'ed everything 26 and rotted, you could get kgetwhoiz [4:28pm] <@the42guy> which puzzle? [4:28pm] <@dnbmathguy> then, yes, it was a really lucky coincidence [4:28pm] <@Sin_Vraal> all i want to know is what that England answer was all about, and i'm good. So spill :) [4:29pm] 42; "all about me" [4:29pm] yeah, cough up .uk [4:29pm] <@dnbmathguy> very well [4:29pm] <@Sin_Vraal> + [4:29pm] <@dnbmathguy> Blair and Residence = Downing Street (yes, I know it's not like the others, I'm sorry) [4:30pm] <@Sin_Vraal> downing street, boggle [4:30pm] <@dnbmathguy> Downing Street, Perfect = 10 [4:30pm] <@Sin_Vraal> we even had named that, but yeah it was nothing like the others [4:30pm] <@dnbmathguy> Reindeer, Cookies = Santa Claus [4:30pm] <@dnbmathguy> Santa Claus, 10 = Dudley Moore [4:30pm] <@Sin_Vraal> why? [4:30pm] <@dnbmathguy> Dudley Moore, WKRP = Arthur [4:30pm] <@dnbmathguy> dudley moore was in the movie 10, and the movie Santa Claus [4:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> aha [4:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> never heard of either movie [4:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i'll say this, cadler - that was a *good* puzzle, but for that one blip [4:31pm] <@dnbmathguy> I think 10 was the one with bo derek and the running down the beach [4:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> how you got it all to resolve down to 1 word was incredible [4:31pm] <@the42guy> ahh [4:31pm] yeah, .uk was an excellent puzzle [4:31pm] <@dnbmathguy> that was a group effort [4:31pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> it was originally mart's idea [4:32pm] <@Martavius> the very general outline, true [4:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i tell ya, it was a brilliant puzzle with one little burp that wasn't like the rest [4:32pm] <@Martavius> but I'm not the one who set it up [4:32pm] Mart: go figure lol [4:32pm] <@dnbmathguy> I put in most of the middle stuff [4:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> here's a question - did we indeed solve *everything* or are we still missing something [4:32pm] <@dnbmathguy> and jamesi came up with a couple of the outer links that I couldn't come up with [4:33pm] <@Martavius> with Mythos and 1.18 beaten, you've done everything [4:33pm] woot [4:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> did this get asked: [4:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> What was the biggest "oh crap we f'd up" moment [4:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> we = PMs, not we = players [4:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> or, answer both if you like :) [4:34pm] <@Martavius> that'd be a tossup [4:34pm] <@dnbmathguy> we had a bunch of typos on the first couple of puzzles [4:34pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> for me, it was having an extra "I" clue in the TV wordsearch [4:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> heh. [4:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i'm enthused yu guys didn't fix that IRON CHEF [4:35pm] Mart lost the setup sheet for 6.0 huh? [4:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> cuz i still say 42 frigs felines, oy [4:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> but gup - that puzzle also was a load of fun [4:35pm] <@dnbmathguy> there was discovering that the image or something that was key to one of the Mythos Three had never been uploaded [4:35pm] <@the42guy> mm.... Beachy Anpan. [4:36pm] <@Martavius> most of the major problems happened when the webmaster was unavailable [4:36pm] hmm [4:36pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i heard what some of you said about me - thanks, I think... but you know, there was a core of true solid performers that I don't think JMX could have been beaten without. [4:36pm] <@dnbmathguy> jamesi was the only one who could do anything to the site itself [4:36pm] amen to that. [4:36pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I want to tell a tiny story, if i may :) [4:36pm] <@the42guy> whee, story! [4:36pm] Mart: what were some of the ones we didn't solve in Crypt? like what are the ciphers used? [4:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> When I started playing JMX, I didn't even know what an ASCII code was. [4:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Nor a vigi-whozits [4:37pm] <@the42guy> heh, me neither, vraal [4:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> nor that bases came in anything besides 10s and the occasional 2s [4:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> well i guess i knew it, but that anyone actually could do anything iwth them [4:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i donno who was around when we hit 1.2 [4:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> but i was like a giddy little schoolgirl over hiding crypto in spaces [4:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> And it's truly because of JMX - and Martavius in particular, I must say - that I've become a rather avid puzzle-writer. [4:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Whether or not they were any good, we'll find out in tomorrow's Acheron chat [4:38pm] and a crack-solver [4:38pm] <@the42guy> Yah, I mean - I even like writing the occasional puzzle [4:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I tell ya what, Cybor [4:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> JMX didn't turn me into a puzzle solver as much as it opened my eyes to the potential of where puzzles could go [4:38pm] indeed [4:39pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I've made tiny little nothing puzzles before... but I hit RiddlePlanet contest 2 and must have seeded JMX hints and names throughout in homage :) [4:39pm] Heh, lemme mirror that. I came in with a knowledge of computers and math, smack dab at the start of stage 3. Suffice to say, I now work for a company where my knowledge of encryption is one of the main reasons I got hired. [4:39pm] I was annoyed at the tempo of crypt... but once the speed picked up.... weee!! [4:39pm] <@dnbmathguy> having tried to solve some of your puzzles, I have to say: err, thank you? [4:39pm] <@Sin_Vraal> hah [4:39pm] <@Sin_Vraal> jamesi played his part too, don't get me wrong [4:39pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and scrappy did, tho she doesn't know it [4:39pm] i did what? [4:40pm] <@Sin_Vraal> helped me earn the player honor award that i've been unwilttingly bestowed here, heh [4:40pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you were one of the people that really taught me a lot about IRC and how thhese kinds of games work :) [4:40pm] phbbt. i was just making that up [4:40pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> heh [4:40pm] i'm surprised you fell for it [4:41pm] <@the42guy> lol [4:41pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Twas a lot of fun and I hope you guys continue to bring joy and pain to the arg masses [4:41pm] and this time with stories lol [4:41pm] ok, lemme ask. do any of our jmx PMs have any ideas for the future? Should we expect more pain in a year or two? [4:41pm] or months? [4:41pm] <@Sin_Vraal> how about tonight [4:42pm] <@the42guy> I have a small question too - at what point did you decide we were not going to solve the numberline, and then just gave us the answer via search terms on google? [4:42pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah which one of you yutzes thought that a numberline was actually a *puzzle* :) [4:42pm] <@dnbmathguy> I go to lots of math competitions [4:42pm] that was tyhe only triad that made no bloody sense [4:43pm] Aveena (~Aveena@13919cb5.3682fb09.client.comcast.net) has joined. Ť16 peopleť [4:43pm] <@dnbmathguy> I saw, in essence, that puzzle [4:43pm] <@Sin_Vraal> just as a number line? [4:43pm] <@dnbmathguy> well... no [4:43pm] <@Sin_Vraal> with the triangle, it was more of a puzzle, but a number line says "guess what i'm thinking" [4:43pm] j[a]mesi (jamesi@25b55acd.2b3a2604.wp.shawcable.net) has joined. Ť17 peopleť [4:43pm] ChanServ sets mode: +a j[a]mesi [4:43pm] <@Palindrone> [j[a]mesi] Well according to our audience insta-poll, 46% say you're too old. And 37% say: she's a skank! [4:43pm] i'll brb again [4:43pm] j[a]mesi (jamesi@25b55acd.2b3a2604.wp.shawcable.net) is now known as jamesi [4:43pm] Gup|JMX_Chat sets mode: +o Aveena [4:43pm] <@dnbmathguy> which was what I realized... after you guys had gotten started [4:43pm] just a related title would have made a big difference imho [4:44pm] * Cybornut nod to case [4:44pm] <@dnbmathguy> see, if I'd given you the instructions, it would have been pretty easy [4:44pm] <@dnbmathguy> that puzzle may have been my biggest screwup [4:44pm] <@Sin_Vraal> well yes, but 123456790 and a __________ to enter an answer doesn't really say much :) [4:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> anyway, there were maybe *2* puzzles I personally thought unfair [4:45pm] to me it says "Price, please compromise the server and read the source to this script" ^^ [4:45pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> heh [4:45pm] <@dnbmathguy> well, by that point in time, I thought you guys could read my mind. how was I supposed to know you couldn't? :) [4:45pm] sin: you were always thinking that !scriptmonkey one is unfair? [4:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> 1 was that numberline, and the other was having "niglfar" and "scatter" as substitution ciphers, especially when 'scatter' had nothing to do with greece... and even using the same alphabet there was no real way to know if it was right [4:46pm] <@Martavius> that one was fair, as someone on the yahoo board would surely try it in here [4:46pm] <@Sin_Vraal> well see, I didn't know wtf a script was at the time, and i'm not sure how people figured out to trigger it in IRC from the puzzle, but if it's there, i don't think it was unfair [4:47pm] it did help expand the JMX universe a bit and forced you to go to IRC [4:47pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and crypt wasn't *unfair* as much as it was without 1 little hook - cuz there was a ton of noise in there and false solves that gave so many potential pathways of solving, there was no way to *know* when you hit on the right thing unless you got lucky. [4:47pm] <@the42guy> yah, I didnt even really know what I script was, I just lucked out that I knew how to use IRC [4:47pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I defend the crypt, just not Jamesi's way of hinting at it [4:47pm] I am just annoyed I wasn't there to receive the hints lol [4:47pm] i defend nothing [4:48pm] heh, if the hint allowed _me_ to figure it out, it had to have been broad ;) [4:48pm] Addle are you dissing us? lol [4:48pm] <@Sin_Vraal> no, just jamesi. grin. [4:48pm] hh [4:48pm] Ill ask again, though. [4:48pm] ok, lemme ask. do any of our jmx PMs have any ideas for the future? Should we expect more pain in a year or two? [4:48pm] look, can i disappear for 75 minutes? [4:48pm] or months [4:49pm] <@Sin_Vraal> 75 minutes? [4:49pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> jamesi, sure [4:49pm] this kid is not having a great night [4:49pm] <@Sin_Vraal> aww [4:49pm] <@dnbmathguy> until 9 EST [4:49pm] it's family [4:49pm] =( give her a video! [4:49pm] this is totally unfair, i know, but so be it [4:49pm] plug in the babysitter! [4:49pm] jamesi Ťjamesi@25b55acd.2b3a2604.wp.shawcable.netť has Quit iRC (Qm9vdHk/) [4:49pm] <@Sin_Vraal> give it a sip of wine and it'll go right to bed [4:49pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> Price, we'll get back to you on that in a year or 2 ;) [4:49pm] hehehe [4:50pm] <@dnbmathguy> by then, you'll know if we had plans that we put in place or not [4:50pm] oooh, one I really want to know -- based on the logs and whatnot, how many ACTIVE solvers were there towards the end? [4:50pm] well I wanna finally play a full scale arg from the getgo... [4:50pm] <@Sin_Vraal> let me rephrase that [4:50pm] <@Martavius> the man that can answer that just left [4:50pm] <@dnbmathguy> the guy who could answer that question for you left [4:50pm] hey, with jmx being over [4:50pm] <@Sin_Vraal> how many that *started* made it to the end [4:50pm] can I still be a jmx groupie [4:50pm] and one with an ending (look over to Majestic) [4:51pm] <@dnbmathguy> were I to venture a guess, though, probably you guys [4:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> not that i discount Price's significant contributions [4:51pm] or do I have to find a new group to latch onto? [4:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> but some people like Superguy disappeared early, some people like grumpyboy came in last round [4:51pm] vraal; chill, Im not one to take offense :D [4:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> heh just sayin' :) [4:51pm] * @celina63 was there in the beginning, but was daunted by crypt and then work [4:51pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> at one point, it seemed like only cem and vraal were playing [4:51pm] <@Martavius> Z - the JMX Groupie Club will remain open indefinitely [4:51pm] yay! [4:51pm] <@dnbmathguy> well, you and 42, for one [4:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i think 42 and I and Case [4:52pm] <@the42guy> Yup, I've been here since 1.1 [4:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I got to be good buddies with case since the Ojibwe language one [4:52pm] I was daunted by Crypt too... I joined at end of 5 [4:52pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> and dnb of course :D [4:52pm] <@dnbmathguy> and Justin [4:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> dnb i have a Q for you [4:52pm] <@dnbmathguy> and me [4:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> did you actually *solve* any of them for us? [4:52pm] <@dnbmathguy> yeah [4:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I can't remember [4:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> but if you managed to squeak through without any of us noticing you never posted an answer on the yahoo board, kudos to you :) [4:52pm] heh [4:53pm] <@dnbmathguy> well, lemme see [4:53pm] <@Sin_Vraal> cuz i do admit to being surprised that you were adler [4:53pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i'm assuming you were caleb from the start, anyway [4:53pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:00] * dnbmathguy hits his forehead, repeatedly [4:53pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:00] holy fishsticks, that was simple [4:53pm] <@Sin_Vraal> wuzzat [4:53pm] <@dnbmathguy> that was from IRC on november 30, 2002 [4:53pm] <@dnbmathguy> me "solving" 1.1 [4:53pm] I just wish there's a stage 7 where the SAM storyline could be expanded [4:53pm] <@the42guy> heh [4:54pm] <@dnbmathguy> I got an assist for something in stage 1 [4:54pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I wish there were a stage on which Sam's legs could be opened. [4:54pm] sin: you perv lol [4:54pm] <@Sin_Vraal> hehe an assist, i remember that [4:54pm] <@the42guy> tell ya what, lets just pretend Sam congratulated us with Hot, Steamy sex. [4:54pm] White_Knight (wgw_killer@2b6f2293.27ad84c0.ihug.co.nz) has joined. Ť17 peopleť [4:54pm] AnthraX101 (Whee_@3d344119.2c464aa6.137f4c4b.112cbe95X) has joined. Ť18 peopleť [4:54pm] <@dnbmathguy> and the academy award one [4:54pm] <@the42guy> One by one, of course [4:54pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i wish mardi were still around to have given points [4:54pm] wrong thing to come in on [4:54pm] <@the42guy> heh [4:54pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> let's pretend you all aren't ruled by your nasty little man hormones [4:54pm] <@the42guy> HOT STEAMY SEX! [4:54pm] <@Martavius> afaik, most of dnb's solves came after the puzzle in question was already cracked by someone else [4:54pm] <@dnbmathguy> as I recall, vraal, you had made some weird comment about bar codes right as you were nearing the finish [4:54pm] <@the42guy> heheh [4:54pm] <@Sin_Vraal> BITCHY ANPAN? [4:55pm] nasty manmones! [4:55pm] <@the42guy> heh [4:55pm] <@dnbmathguy> which meant that I knew that you had it [4:55pm] <@Sin_Vraal> the finish of what? [4:55pm] I assisted on iceland.. that's my only official one (sigh I suck so bad lol) [4:55pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah that was the point [4:55pm] <@the42guy> just foolin around. [4:55pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i wanted people to know i'd solved it [4:55pm] <@Sin_Vraal> those that passed it, anyway [4:55pm] <@dnbmathguy> well, you hadn't posted the solve yet [4:55pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah, i didn't want to give it away cuz i think that was my first real *solve* [4:55pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and i was still trying to figure out the etiquette FOR posting [4:55pm] <@dnbmathguy> so, I figured I could squeak by, and "solve" it before you [4:56pm] <@Sin_Vraal> aha [4:56pm] <@dnbmathguy> as I recall, you got formally credited for it [4:56pm] <@dnbmathguy> but you gave me and someone else credit as well [4:56pm] <@Sin_Vraal> ayup, i did post it once i'd talked to MardiM2 (she was our yahoo board host, for those who don't know) about how to do it [4:57pm] so... where's the full blame list for stage 6? [4:57pm] <@Martavius> the blame list for stages 3-6 will be posted soon [4:57pm] <@the42guy> sweet. [4:57pm] did you guys ever target a puzzle at specific players (not that I saw any evidence of this, Im just asking)? [4:57pm] some really talented puzzles in 3-6 [4:58pm] wanna know who to kick on the head [4:58pm] <@dnbmathguy> at one point, I wanted to do a crossword with players names in it [4:58pm] hehehe [4:58pm] <@dnbmathguy> but that idea was scratched [4:58pm] <@the42guy> hehehe [4:58pm] so little regulars [4:58pm] it'd be a short puzzle lol [4:59pm] it would certainly make it difficult for those not following the boards [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> hey Mart - can we have an HOF for the game? [4:59pm] HOF? [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> hall of fame [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i'd say like: [4:59pm] <@dnbmathguy> erm, you'd have to ask jamesi [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> 1) top 10 in final solves [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> 2) top 10 in most guesses [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> [42 would be on the top of that] [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> 3) top 10 puzzles in terms of guessed answers [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> stuff like that [4:59pm] <@the42guy> hehehe [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it'd be awfully fun to see [4:59pm] <@Martavius> 42 may be the top 5 of that, vraal ;) [4:59pm] <@the42guy> yes, yes I would [4:59pm] 4) top 10 wrong guesses [4:59pm] I'd go on top of that lol [4:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> 5) top 10 anagrams [5:00pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> 42 gets the "Let's anagram it" award [5:00pm] <@the42guy> Beachy Anpan, baby [5:00pm] <@Sin_Vraal> what, "I frig felines, oy" didn't thrill you, gup? :) [5:00pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that one was mine, baby, all mine [5:00pm] I also nominate 42 for the ENIGM AXXXX award. [5:00pm] <@the42guy> BEACHY ANPAN! [5:00pm] <@Sin_Vraal> "firefly is gone" indeed! [5:00pm] <@the42guy> there, now that thats done with [5:00pm] <@Martavius> actually, the final solve for Iceland was done with 42 in mind [5:00pm] <@the42guy> :) [5:00pm] wasn;'t there one we got something about "tampons" for? that one stuck in my head [5:00pm] <@the42guy> sorry I didnt solve it frst, truly [5:00pm] <@Sin_Vraal> dude, price - i can't believe you found an anagram in that dreck for iceland [5:00pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that was a helluva thing [5:01pm] Mart: what, "Vinking"? [5:01pm] <@dnbmathguy> there's something in the TOOCs about tampon lint [5:01pm] <@the42guy> yes, good job, ANAGRAM STEALER [5:01pm] the words were too cumbersome [5:01pm] <@the42guy> bbiaf [5:01pm] <@Martavius> Cybornut - no, the final anagram to get the solve [5:01pm] <@the42guy> pleases wait for me.: [5:01pm] <@the42guy> :P [5:01pm] ah [5:01pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i thought scrappy was all about the tampon lint [5:01pm] I was stuck on viggy lol [5:01pm] <@Sin_Vraal> or was that in another forum [5:02pm] no idea [5:02pm] <@dnbmathguy> it's in the JMX TOOC [5:02pm] back to topic: who was responsible for ICELAND anyhow? [5:03pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i'd bet Mart [5:04pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it felt like a Mart problem, not unlike herpes. [5:04pm] <@dnbmathguy> you would bet right [5:04pm] White_Knight (wgw_killer@2b6f2293.27ad84c0.ihug.co.nz) has parted. Ť17 peopleť [5:04pm] it does have his signature... b [5:04pm] HAH [5:04pm] <@Martavius> just remember: not all of the evil, accursed puzzles were mine [5:04pm] what was that puzzle with red rage italic we had recently? [5:05pm] just how many puzzles ARE mart anyhow... there seems to be a lot... at least maybe because they are hard that re remember [5:05pm] endure? or more recent? :D [5:05pm] wasn't there another one in stage 5 or 6? [5:05pm] <@Sin_Vraal> anything red rage italic is mart's - case is thinking romania [5:05pm] yeah [5:06pm] why was there no CHINA? lol huh? huh? [5:06pm] <@Sin_Vraal> cuz they hate you. [5:06pm] <@Martavius> Rage Italic is a very good font for crypto [5:06pm] if you say so [5:06pm] <@Sin_Vraal> rage italic on noisy red background you mean [5:06pm] <@dnbmathguy> we were picking random countries? [5:06pm] I was hoping that my extensive chinese knowledge would come in use... >_< [5:06pm] personally, I despise it :D [5:06pm] <@dnbmathguy> I was contemplating doing a puzzle for uzbekistan [5:06pm] <@Sin_Vraal> is that anything like your exhaustive oral sex knowledge? [5:07pm] <@Sin_Vraal> (for those of you not there for *that* conversation, I'm sure Mart's TOOC page will have it shortly) [5:07pm] sin: hey! what I do in bed is not (much) of your concern thx lol [5:07pm] LC (bob@1ccf6d0.189efabc.ph.cox.net) has joined. Ť18 peopleť [5:07pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you shared it, it became fair game :) [5:07pm] hence the (much) [5:07pm] <@the42guy> alright, I'm back [5:07pm] so the country selection WERE random? [5:08pm] Ive gotta say, I was completely expecting the last puzzle to be mythos round 2. [5:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> semi-random, I guess [5:08pm] 42 you missed stage 7 [5:08pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> we did Japan instead of China :P [5:08pm] <@Sin_Vraal> if you want, cybor, i point you back to THE WALL in stage 1. [5:08pm] <@Sin_Vraal> There's your China [5:09pm] bagsbee (bagsbee@f5eb36d.52627b1.nyc.rr.com) has joined. Ť19 peopleť [5:09pm] <@dnbmathguy> howdy bagsbee [5:09pm] Just as a bit of a painful nod to the puzzle from hell [5:09pm] what...? 2 north american countries... like 6 european, 1 south africa (egypt) and 1 asian? what a rip! Africans and Asians are not representing (nor are the aussies) [5:10pm] hey there [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> this is a little bit late, but I found a log from the PM chat room [5:10pm] dnb; give us the juicy bits! :D [5:10pm] <@the42guy> there was a PM chatroom? [5:10pm] <@the42guy> what was the room nmae? [5:10pm] <@the42guy> *name [5:10pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it was called #jmxxx [5:10pm] prob key'd and invisible [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> if you want me to share, I will. it's from right before you guys solved the academy award one. [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:18] gyah, JUST SAY TANDY.HTML FOR GOODNESS SAKES!!! [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:18] heh [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:18] * dnbasleepguy can't continue trying to stall... he is going to have to force himself to bed soon [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:18] same here [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:22] if they spent the time they threaten to explode trying to solve stuff, THEY"D BE DONE [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:24] * dnbasleepguy is resisting the urge to just say it [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:24] * Aveen[a] banishes the boys to bed [5:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:24] * Martavius banishes Aveena to mythos [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:24] ok. but the players OWE ME [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:24] damn...i walked right into that one [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] hehe [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] yeah, you did [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] at least check it out for me [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] tomorrow? [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] TANDY.HTML YOU... [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] or later tonight [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] having to do actual work right now [5:11pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Hey, you didn't tell us Aveen[a] was in on it [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] not ROT, tandy.html! [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] phbbt [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:25] always wit da excuses [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:26] * Aveen[a] dccs mart her work so she can play [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:26] woo [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:26] just file it all under 'delegated to underling' [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> [21:27] vindiction is mine [5:11pm] <@Sin_Vraal> so which character did Aveen[a] play? [5:11pm] <@Sin_Vraal> before she disappeared in a cloud of blue smoke from the arg world [5:11pm] <@dnbmathguy> guess [5:12pm] emma [5:12pm] heh [5:12pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i'd have to guess that, but she no give us a puzzle :) [5:12pm] <@Sin_Vraal> oh oh i got a good one [5:12pm] <@Sin_Vraal> who's the chick whose picture you found to put in samantha's yahoo profile [5:13pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and what significance does she have to any of the PMs [5:13pm] oh, if jamesi is Sam, who was the girl in the photo for the ladysamantha82 profile? [5:13pm] oh yeah [5:13pm] he [5:13pm] echo [5:13pm] <@Sin_Vraal> jminx [5:13pm] <@dnbmathguy> she did do a puzzle, I think [5:14pm] <@Sin_Vraal> You know, i *did* invite DNB over to #jmxxx to watch the alternate group play for awhile [5:14pm] what are the puzles each of the present pm's are most proud of? [5:14pm] stag1 1-6 [5:14pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i think we should tell them which ones to be proud of :) [5:15pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> I'm most proud of the anime wordsearch because that was a damn bitch to put together [5:15pm] <@dnbmathguy> yes, and I'm sort of proud that you thought me a good enough player to join :) [5:15pm] I think they tell us end we could veto them lol [5:15pm] <@Sin_Vraal> well ya know what it was, dnb? [5:15pm] <@dnbmathguy> what? [5:15pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you were always around and always seemed like you were TRYING :) [5:15pm] <@dnbmathguy> heh [5:15pm] bwahaha [5:15pm] amen :D [5:15pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that was the only criterion - not generating so much goddamn noise that we couldn't follow our own trains of thoughts! [5:15pm] sorry sin [5:15pm] I quieted down nicely though [5:15pm] * @Sin_Vraal didn't think he was talking about anyone in particular. [5:16pm] * @Sin_Vraal - but if the foo shits... [5:16pm] * @Sin_Vraal ... anagram it [5:16pm] ^_^ [5:16pm] <@dnbmathguy> as for my most favorite puzzle? [5:16pm] <@the42guy> heh [5:16pm] <@dnbmathguy> probably movinonup.html, the monopoly one [5:16pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that is my all time favorite goddamn puzzle [5:16pm] that was a funny one [5:16pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I think I solved that one :D [5:16pm] notes stays my personal best, cauz i spend a month and a half with it... EVERY day [5:16pm] despite the hellacious factor, endure was a fucking excellent puzzle. [5:16pm] vraal; yeah, you did [5:16pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that one goddamn ruled [5:17pm] <@Sin_Vraal> the 'duh' hitting me in a moment of realization was the best feeling [5:17pm] <@Sin_Vraal> cuz there was SO MUCH in that one to get right [5:17pm] note is brutal... even as a catch up [5:17pm] <@dnbmathguy> thank you [5:17pm] <@Martavius> hmm...I think my personal favorite was Mythos [5:17pm] <@Martavius> for obvious reasons [5:17pm] you did the whole mythos mart? [5:17pm] <@the42guy> I really liked movinonup too [5:17pm] I think Mythos will remain as a JMX symbol for us all... for a long time [5:17pm] <@Martavius> except for the last page, yes [5:17pm] <@the42guy> nice and creative [5:18pm] Master Po make strong puzzle, teach us well :D [5:18pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i liked Monopoly... I liked England except for the blip... I liked TMNT just for the sheer elegance in such a little puzzle... and I loved the numerophobia one [5:18pm] aliendial (aliendial@2b2c869d.28a85a1b.dial-access.att.net) has joined. Ť20 peopleť [5:18pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> it was his mythterpiece [5:18pm] <@Sin_Vraal> those were just random peoples' pics in that movie, weren't they? [5:18pm] the flash story was hilarious [5:18pm] TMNT was such a streatch it's hilarious [5:18pm] <@Sin_Vraal> no stretch at all! [5:18pm] nono [5:18pm] <@Sin_Vraal> there were JUSt enough hooks to know you had it [5:19pm] I mean... how would we guessed tmnt would pop up in jmx lol [5:19pm] <@Sin_Vraal> the colors, the p122a title... it was masterful [5:19pm] <@dnbmathguy> awesome [5:19pm] <@Sin_Vraal> cybor, you never cease to amaze me with your sheer lack of eloquence [5:19pm] <@Sin_Vraal> try again, in English :) [5:19pm] I was lmao when I saw the solve... dude it was ment to be an compliment [5:20pm] <@dnbmathguy> I made that one too [5:20pm] the tardis puzzle I thoroughly enjoyed [5:20pm] whose was tardis? [5:20pm] <@Sin_Vraal> tardis was fun, but i'd never heard of it [5:20pm] <@Sin_Vraal> thoroughly legitimate though [5:20pm] tardis was fun because it took 90 seconds :D [5:20pm] didn't enjoy france here... eventhough sin solved too early [5:21pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah case and i were there first and took about... 30 minutes to solve it? along came price right after and got it in 90 seconds [5:21pm] <@Sin_Vraal> did i tell y'all how i solved france? [5:21pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i know i told mart [5:21pm] no [5:21pm] I know I know lol [5:21pm] <@Sin_Vraal> well we were trying to look at the letters and numbers [5:21pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and for whatever reason someone said hm i wonder what scenic place they could mean [5:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> so for whatever reason 'got milk' was in my head and i chatted 'Got Mountain?' [5:22pm] lol [5:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> then i said oh what the hell, and tried mont blanc, and it was right [5:22pm] <@Martavius> Brandon - TARDIS was mine [5:22pm] points for the Dr Who ref [5:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah definite points. [5:22pm] mart: did you do like 80% of the puzzles? [5:22pm] <@Martavius> not even close [5:23pm] <@Sin_Vraal> more like 76 [5:23pm] or are they the hardest/most bizarre/most memorable that we remembered best? [5:23pm] cuz nobody remembered Canada (easy solve) [5:23pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i'm not sure what the intent was of canada [5:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> why did you guys consider that sufficiently difficult [5:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it was a straight binary decode, nothing hard about it [5:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> did you think we'd be trying to make a picture because of icecreamcone? [5:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> (btw, icecreamcone was another brilliant one) [5:24pm] yeah... it's stage 6... it should make price and sin sweat [5:24pm] <@dnbmathguy> if I recall, you were supposed to get the canadian flag [5:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> didn't look like a canadian flag to me :) [5:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> was just a straight decode heh [5:24pm] it's an off canadian flag [5:24pm] <@Martavius> out of 86 (or 84, don't have the exact # handy) I think I did 36 or so [5:25pm] so more than half? [5:25pm] <@dnbmathguy> erm... no [5:25pm] or close to [5:25pm] * Case_justin tips my hat to Mart [5:25pm] <@Sin_Vraal> y'all should be very proud, all things considered. [5:25pm] indeed [5:25pm] <@Sin_Vraal> the fact i can remember round 1 and round 2 puzzles by their answers should tell ya something [5:25pm] so mart leads in numbers of puzzles? who's second? [5:26pm] <@Martavius> I only lead due to extreme boredom at work [5:26pm] <@dnbmathguy> probably jamesi [5:26pm] come to think of it, even gridlock is hard when I knew jack squat [5:27pm] stage 1-6 should be posted with commentary as player's tutorial... [5:27pm] Price Ťalbedo@36391f10.763458a.client.comcast.netť has Quit iRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [5:27pm] Price (albedo@36391f10.763458a.client.comcast.net) has joined. Ť20 peopleť [5:28pm] you start by knowing nothing... but COULD end up like price and sin [5:28pm] now I'M scared [5:28pm] some router between me and .uk is barfing at regular intervals. [5:28pm] <@Sin_Vraal> case, you and i should post our "Make it Snappy" puzzle here. [5:28pm] <@Sin_Vraal> just cuz most people refuse to suffer thru 6 rounds of RiddlePlanet Contest #2 to get to it [5:28pm] <@Sin_Vraal> :) [5:28pm] cybor; dude, Vraal and I get solves because we're too masochistic to quit. [5:29pm] <@dnbmathguy> wasn't that practically the last one in RP contest #2? [5:29pm] <@Sin_Vraal> ya [5:29pm] price: I'm too maso, but I couldn't flex my minds like you guys could [5:29pm] <@Sin_Vraal> so since they offered, i might as well put it up for everyone to hate ;) [5:29pm] <@Sin_Vraal> especially since addlepated is still trying to solve it. grin. [5:29pm] speaking of which, has anyone solved elsayad's puzzle? [5:29pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I playtested it... :) [5:30pm] or gray lol [5:30pm] it's not meant to be very hard [5:30pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> justin, that's what we kept saying :D [5:30pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it's not that bad! :) [5:30pm] I havent had much time to work on it [5:31pm] as I've set before, JMX should be put on a perm pedestal as player's tutoril [5:31pm] tutorial [5:31pm] if JMX is a tutorial... you're gonna scare everyone off :D [5:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> heh [5:31pm] well if you work stage 1-6... [5:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> JMX should be the crypto SAT [5:31pm] hah [5:31pm] <@the42guy> heh [5:31pm] I have a lead on your puzzle, sin ;) [5:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> mail JMX to Simon Singh for inclusion in his next webpage [5:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah i know you do addie, and you won't spoil it for anyone else i hope [5:32pm] ofcoz not [5:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i really want to share it. It's, I believe, my best puzzle :) [5:32pm] <@dnbmathguy> the "bad" trail was posted as a tutorial [5:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> did we solve anything in the bad trail? [5:32pm] bad trail? [5:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> round 2. [5:32pm] <@dnbmathguy> you guys solved the bad trail in about an hour [5:32pm] <@dnbmathguy> if you didn't put the right answer in for 2.1 [5:32pm] <@dnbmathguy> instead of going to 2.2, you went to 2.1.1 [5:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> see - i remember! :) i remember! :) [5:33pm] oh that [5:33pm] Im hoping to see the whole of the JMX crew team up again to take down something. [5:33pm] or build up something [5:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> see i don't think the whole JMX crew can *solve* [5:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> building and solving take completely different brain cells [5:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> replace "don't think" with "don't necessarily think" [5:33pm] <@Martavius> most of us are ex-CMs, vraal [5:33pm] CMs? [5:34pm] <@Martavius> we're on the original crew [5:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Cloudmakers [5:34pm] <@Martavius> CloudMakers [5:34pm] aj [5:34pm] another legend [5:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah it wasn't meant as aknock, mart, just that people who can make brilliant puzzles (like cabalagent) can't always solve them (like cabalagent) :) [5:34pm] <@dnbmathguy> I wrote the plexata guide [5:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> see, that's a juciy bit of info i didn't know, that y'all were cloudmakers [5:35pm] <@dnbmathguy> plexata was where i met jamesi [5:35pm] I see [5:35pm] the history [5:35pm] interesting [5:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> these things are before my time. [5:35pm] WAY before mine.. I played Majestic in beta... but that didn't end [5:35pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> we were all cloudmakers, but we didn't get together as JM until after lockjaw [5:36pm] Majestic was my start, too. [5:36pm] and discovered arg a few months back, and JMX was my 1st full puzzle exp [5:36pm] <@Sin_Vraal> NoahBoddy and TimeHunt were my official start after Push NV abruptly ended. [5:36pm] I was Majestic->uncaptheride->jmx [5:36pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I donno how long before that was Majestic [5:36pm] Majestic was... 3 summers past. [5:36pm] Majestic->acheron(didn't stay)->jmx [5:36pm] <@dnbmathguy> I had a case of burnout, so I left after plexata was done, and returned around may or june [5:37pm] <@the42guy> Push nevada --> JMX (and CTW) [5:37pm] <@dnbmathguy> I happened to JUST miss the entire run of lockjaw [5:37pm] <@dnbmathguy> which was SO annoying [5:37pm] I'm still trying to arrange for someone who's involved with Majestic to come to Argfest [5:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Push->NoahBoddy / TimeHunt -> JMX (thanks to scarpe!) -> RiddlePlanet #1 (playing) -> CTW -> Acheron [5:37pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i missed out on Beast, Lockjaw, Majestic, and ChangeAgents [5:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> oh and RP#2 (making) was there after CTW [5:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it's not easy making a puzzle contest for everyone, folks :) [5:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it's not just puzzle, but how you deliver it [5:38pm] <@Martavius> so we noticed [5:38pm] <@dnbmathguy> really? I would never have guessed [5:39pm] <@Sin_Vraal> quiet you, i'm giving you a compliment [5:39pm] <@dnbmathguy> :) [5:39pm] <@Sin_Vraal> the presentation is as difficult to make as the puzzle itself, these guys really deserve kudos for it [5:39pm] amen. [5:39pm] aliendial (aliendial@2b2c869d.28a85a1b.dial-access.att.net) is now known as aliendi[a]l [5:40pm] <@Martavius> jamesi gets all the cred for presentation [5:40pm] <@dnbmathguy> I know basic HTML, and not much else [5:40pm] <@dnbmathguy> jamesi does get credit for making most of my puzzles a whole lot prettier [5:40pm] <@Sin_Vraal> 3 cheers from me, i found a lot of them beautiful. [5:40pm] <@dnbmathguy> italy is a reflection of my true webdesign capabilities [5:41pm] how would people think about someone from Majestic to come to argfest [5:42pm] Argfest. oh how I wish I could make this one. [5:42pm] Id really like to meet the lot of you :D [5:42pm] <@Sin_Vraal> ask RAMiles to post a personal ad about it for you, Cybor - I hear he's good at them [5:42pm] ramiles? [5:42pm] <@Sin_Vraal> ayup [5:42pm] aliendi[a]l Ťaliendial@2b2c869d.28a85a1b.dial-access.att.netť has Quit iRC (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) [5:43pm] moving along... Would you guys do anything different? [5:44pm] <@dnbmathguy> you mean, what would we have done differently? [5:44pm] yeah [5:44pm] <@Sin_Vraal> kudos for that Tandy puzzle. It was a very good puzzle, but I totally could NOT do it. :) [5:44pm] <@Martavius> complete beta testing [5:44pm] <@the42guy> yah, I too, wish to someday attend an Argfest [5:44pm] <@Sin_Vraal> what prevented beta testing of a lot of it, mart? [5:44pm] i'm still amazed that you tested as much as you did [5:44pm] brb [5:44pm] <@Sin_Vraal> some of them, like that typo in romania, i'd think had months to be caught :) [5:44pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> lack of bodies [5:45pm] <@dnbmathguy> veen was our beta test slave driver [5:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> heh [5:45pm] <@dnbmathguy> but she left [5:45pm] <@the42guy> oh, so here's a question: when were we "supposed" to have finished this? [5:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i bet that's hard to say, seeing as the rounds weren't contiguous :() [5:46pm] <@Martavius> theoretically, it was supposed to be a stage a month for 6 months [5:46pm] <@dnbmathguy> the original plan was six months [5:47pm] <@dnbmathguy> but we procrastinated [5:47pm] <@Martavius> (read: we slacked) [5:47pm] slackers. [5:47pm] <@the42guy> pfft. [5:47pm] <@the42guy> :P [5:48pm] <@the42guy> "pfft. Slackers" -- Martavius, multiple times [5:48pm] <@dnbmathguy> well, it's not like you guys solved a stage a month, anyway [5:48pm] <@Sin_Vraal> is that OUR failing, or yours... >:) [5:49pm] heh [5:49pm] <@dnbmathguy> well, crypt took you guys a month [5:49pm] <@dnbmathguy> notes took longer, as I recall [5:50pm] <@the42guy> didnt numberline end up taking 2 months or something [5:50pm] <@the42guy> heh [5:50pm] crypt taking a month was largely me being a slacker. I had planned to write a script doing vigs on the ciphers, but never got to it :) [5:50pm] <@dnbmathguy> it was OTP, though [5:50pm] which is a vig with a very long key [5:51pm] <@dnbmathguy> yeah [5:51pm] that was the method I was gonna use -- vig everything with everything [5:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you know, case and i said it was probably OTP to each other early on [5:51pm] the missing J would have caused a problem, no? [5:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and later, price and I agreed [5:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> but we had absolutely no idea where to start [5:51pm] <@Sin_Vraal> there were too many to try against each other and there was no 'hook' to point toward D and N [5:51pm] <@dnbmathguy> would you guys have ever done that? [5:52pm] <@dnbmathguy> D crypt, N crypt [5:52pm] equip [5:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i think the fact that other things actually decrypted to something worked [5:52pm] I actually did, but made a mistake in my excel formula [5:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and so we launched into all sorts of other ideas [5:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i personally thought they'd decrypt in groups [5:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> each group leading somewhere, like to a word [5:52pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that woulda been very interesting, each solve of a code leading to a key to solve another [5:53pm] <@Sin_Vraal> if everything else were pure gibberish, i think maybe we'd have settled on signal vs. noise [5:53pm] wait a minute, was BOOYAH voluntary? [5:54pm] prob [5:55pm] <@dnbmathguy> I'd assume so [5:55pm] <@dnbmathguy> mart? [5:55pm] <@Martavius> booyah was another semi-random thing thrown in [5:55pm] that puzzle had a fctun of random [5:56pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you don't haev a full decrypt solution sheet for that one do ya mrat [5:56pm] bagsbee Ťbagsbee@f5eb36d.52627b1.nyc.rr.comť has Quit iRC (bye!) [5:56pm] <@Martavius> nope [5:57pm] just bunch of randoms + d&n? [5:58pm] <@Martavius> more or less, yes [5:58pm] <@Sin_Vraal> do you guys have anything you've been curious about asking *us* ? [5:58pm] <@Sin_Vraal> like 'what were you thinking when' or anything at all really? [5:58pm] <@dnbmathguy> hmm [5:59pm] <@Martavius> ok, here's one: what's with all the wild tangents? [5:59pm] on the phone... [5:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> such as? [5:59pm] wild tangents? [5:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I blame wild tangents on cybor and 42 [5:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM [5:59pm] <@the42guy> whee! Tangents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [5:59pm] <@Sin_Vraal> especially the ones that were my fault [5:59pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:00pm] <@Martavius> actually, vraal, 42 was within inches of a solve, when you threw him off on a tangent [6:00pm] Cybornut (Jokono@141bd0a1.20846cb9.2e099bf0.1599c5X) is now known as Cybornut|phone [6:00pm] <@the42guy> I'll say it: we all had our share of wild tangents [6:00pm] <@the42guy> ooooooh [6:00pm] <@the42guy> which solve mart? [6:00pm] <@dnbmathguy> if I had a nickel for everytime 42 was THIS close to a solve [6:00pm] * @the42guy waves fist at Vraal [6:00pm] <@the42guy> yes....? [6:00pm] <@dnbmathguy> I may almost have a dollar [6:00pm] <@the42guy> wow. [6:00pm] <@Martavius> 42 - I'll have to look it up in the logs [6:01pm] <@dnbmathguy> err, I dunno. it seems that way, anyway [6:01pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I tell ya, it was a lot of fun torturing 42 in round 6 [6:01pm] <@Sin_Vraal> "Solve Barbados yet?" hehe [6:01pm] bwahahaha [6:01pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:01pm] <@Sin_Vraal> "Oh, cool, are you working on China now?" "Oh. Guess not. Nevermind" [6:01pm] <@the42guy> lol [6:02pm] <@the42guy> yah, how thoughtful and helpful of you [6:02pm] <@the42guy> :P [6:03pm] celina63 Ťcelina63@a9a2d23.1b4962bd.3d6b14e3.2e1bf8a9Xť has Quit iRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [6:03pm] Price Ťalbedo@36391f10.763458a.client.comcast.netť has Quit iRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [6:03pm] j[a]mesi (jamesi@25b55acd.2b3a2604.wp.shawcable.net) has joined. Ť17 peopleť [6:03pm] ChanServ sets mode: +a j[a]mesi [6:03pm] <@Palindrone> [j[a]mesi] Well according to our audience insta-poll, 46% say you're too old. And 37% say: she's a skank! [6:03pm] hey jamesi [6:03pm] Price (albedo@36391f10.763458a.client.comcast.net) has joined. Ť18 peopleť [6:03pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> wb jamesi [6:03pm] <@Sin_Vraal> =) [6:03pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you know a few of us were withholding solves for a little bit, and part of it was cuz dnb looked like he was trying so hard i didn't want to spoil it on him in the forum. [6:03pm] <@Sin_Vraal> how ironic :) [6:03pm] I dunno. I was king of misinterpretting Martkloos [6:03pm] jebus [6:03pm] j[a]mesi (jamesi@25b55acd.2b3a2604.wp.shawcable.net) is now known as jamesi [6:03pm] if you don't already have children, don't have any ;) [6:03pm] * @Martavius makes a note [6:03pm] jamesi; so, how many active solvers were there at the end? [6:04pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and how many that finished it were there for 1.1 [6:04pm] um, hard to tell, actually... i'm pretty server-illiterate [6:04pm] but i can tell you the traffic per month [6:04pm] average unique visits per day? [6:04pm] <@dnbmathguy> I suppose I apologize for the withholding of solve [6:05pm] dmax (~dmax@2b2c869d.3702296a.ca.astound.net) has joined. Ť19 peopleť [6:05pm] gimme a second [6:05pm] for being server-illiterate, you kept the front door at least moderately locked up (yes, I looked once :P) [6:05pm] all right. everyone outta here [6:05pm] too much noise [6:05pm] there's been complaints from down the hall [6:05pm] * Price throws mythos at dmax [6:06pm] <@dnbmathguy> erm... what did you look at? [6:06pm] * dmax juggles mythos, chainsaw, and a bowling ball [6:06pm] dnb; The headers and version information on the HTTP requests. [6:07pm] <@Sin_Vraal> hehe [6:07pm] hits for JMX history: 89388 [6:07pm] The version of apache run is pretty tight out of the box. I was actually looking to see if MS-IIS was being run [6:07pm] 3 weeks ago, 755 for the week, two weeks ago, 433 for the week, and last week, 776 hits [6:08pm] MS-IIS lets you send (by default) an HTTP header with a translate: f option in it that lets you view the source of scripts on the server. [6:08pm] price: spacely is my server, so whatever security he has for his sites i have for mine [6:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> [18:32] having fun pretending to be a college girl? :) [6:08pm] ah :) [6:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> and: [6:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> [10:42] i'm sure the players know me = sam anyway [6:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> [10:42] I'm sure [6:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> [10:42] but it was fun while it lasted [6:08pm] <@dnbmathguy> this was last march [6:09pm] mart is going to take a look at the error logs and make something up for y'all [6:09pm] Aha! My Sam eXperience... funnage for sure. [6:09pm] cool [6:09pm] <@Martavius> just because I know you're dying to see them [6:09pm] Coming in as Burns was funny. [6:09pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you guys never told us [6:09pm] <@Sin_Vraal> where did you guys get the picture of Sam for Yahoo - who is she [6:09pm] mart; oh, youll have some good ones from me [6:09pm] stuff like ihatethisfuckingpuzzle.html [6:10pm] <@Martavius> Brandon - I'll have to strip the IPs from it [6:10pm] anyway, I have to bounce [6:10pm] cya Price [6:10pm] Oh, the Sam picture is actually a friend of mine. I asked her permission before I printed it, and she thought it was a funny request. [6:10pm] someone post a log. PMs, thanks! Players, thanks! See you around! [6:10pm] later Brandon. [6:10pm] Price Ťalbedo@36391f10.763458a.client.comcast.netť has Quit iRC (Leaving) [6:10pm] <@the42guy> I gotta go soon too; dinnertime. [6:10pm] thanks for playing so hard. [6:10pm] <@dnbmathguy> see ya [6:10pm] see ya hobie [6:10pm] <@the42guy> dwell [6:10pm] thanks for anagramming! ;) [6:10pm] <@the42guy> I can stay a bit more [6:10pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:10pm] oh [6:11pm] <@the42guy> for JMX's sake? I can stay a bit longer [6:11pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:11pm] nice [6:12pm] <@Sin_Vraal> For Sam, Hobie's always lasting a little longer [6:12pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:12pm] <@the42guy> be forwarned, if I get there and there is no taco meat left, I'll be mad [6:13pm] <@Sin_Vraal> stop talking about Sam [6:13pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and you'll wait your turn :) [6:13pm] So, now that you know that Sam's picture is actually a close, personal friend of mine, you can stop wanting to do nasty things to her. [6:13pm] I'll never leave! [6:13pm] oh, sorry, over reaction [6:14pm] varin (Varin@1b4962bd.1a9e3c85.wi.charter.com) has joined. Ť19 peopleť [6:14pm] no problem [6:14pm] JMX is built on overreactions [6:14pm] hey varin! [6:14pm] hey! [6:14pm] White_Knight (wgw_killer@2b6f2293.27ad84c0.ihug.co.nz) has joined. Ť20 peopleť [6:14pm] ltns [6:14pm] hey WK [6:14pm] hi [6:14pm] I almost forgot [6:15pm] Now, my most important question for the players (you hardore nustos) -- which puzzle was your favorite? [6:15pm] <@Sin_Vraal> we already answered that [6:15pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and we ALL FORGET [6:15pm] <@Sin_Vraal> :) [6:15pm] damn you all [6:16pm] just thought i'd see whos here [6:16pm] <@Sin_Vraal> mine, in order: #1) Monopoly. #2) icecreamcone. #3) TMNT #4) numerophobia. [6:16pm] I asked the Q [6:16pm] <@dnbmathguy> hey varin, wk [6:17pm] monopoly was one of my faves too [6:17pm] I put tmnt 2 and icecreamcone 3 [6:17pm] <@Sin_Vraal> oh and #5 England, even though it had that really bad burp about blair residence [6:17pm] my favorite to build was notes.html [6:17pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that was rough without a songlist [6:17pm] <@the42guy> monopoly, the tv crossword, trivia, ... *shrug* [6:17pm] <@Sin_Vraal> tho i have to say, case and i got all but 1 of the puzzle pieces for the scavenger hunt one before sam offered to issue a list of names :) [6:18pm] i personally loved notes, monopoly... [6:18pm] I of course missed the last two stages, but I liked 1. icecreamcone 2. gridlock because I think it might be the only one I solved and 3. the notes [6:18pm] <@dnbmathguy> I, personally, was a little psyched when people started thinking that the puzzle pieces were a new ARG [6:18pm] <@dnbmathguy> if only because of the fresh faces that were showing up [6:18pm] ah, that was cool too [6:19pm] You guys should probably know that I spent as much time prepping and coding notes.html as you did solving it. [6:19pm] obviously [6:19pm] the way you chose those samples was just crazy [6:20pm] some of those song i really knew well, but the actual slice sounded way off [6:20pm] i fought the whole way through, must have downloaded hundreds of songs that were misses [6:21pm] Almost all of those I had sitting on my HD anyway [6:21pm] Now, a little history... [6:21pm] * @dnbmathguy opens his notebook [6:21pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yeah, you're lucky we didn't all get thrown a lawsuit for downloading songs to find those :) [6:21pm] <@dnbmathguy> will there be a quiz? [6:21pm] Even though our little group hung out in #unfiction for a long time, JMX wasn't our first project. [6:22pm] Quiz at the end (I'm a teacher, remember?) [6:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> oh yes, Martavius gave that one away about 90 minutes ago [6:22pm] We started on an actual ARG that centered around the bloodline of Christ. [6:22pm] ee? [6:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> oh, not that ;) [6:22pm] it's in john [6:22pm] * @Sin_Vraal was referring to Cloudmakers. [6:23pm] <@the42guy> wow, crazy [6:23pm] and then mel brooks stole it? [6:23pm] No, we started culminating data about this bloodline thing, and the connection to France... sound familiar? [6:23pm] i always thought he was slimy [6:23pm] No, not Mel Brooks... someone slimier. [6:23pm] mel gibson! [6:23pm] <@the42guy> Mel Gibson [6:23pm] the unfunny mel [6:23pm] hehe [6:23pm] <@Sin_Vraal> the anti-semite [6:24pm] Dan Brown - The Davinci Code [6:24pm] <@dnbmathguy> hint: this guy came to my school [6:24pm] <@dnbmathguy> he must have stolen the idea from me there [6:24pm] it was exactly what were leaning towards [6:24pm] * @dnbmathguy shakes his fist at dan brown [6:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that woulda been cool anyway, jamesi! [6:24pm] so, we were hot and heavy about this project and then it kinda crumbled around our ankles [6:24pm] ouch [6:25pm] and we were left with nothing to do. Except, we were also playing a game called Epscilon at the time, a puzzle based game. [6:25pm] BAH [6:25pm] sorry [6:25pm] <@Martavius> and we had all manner of puzzles left from the original idea [6:25pm] And that gave me an idea to do a puzzle based game as well, and I got these other 4 involved, and thusly, JMX was born. [6:26pm] And it couldn't have been done without any of these four, who had stages 1 and 2 ready very quickly. [6:26pm] <@dnbmathguy> does anyone who's been around a while remember when the jadedmedia.net was "bought out"? [6:26pm] Oh yea, the big buyout. [6:26pm] lol [6:26pm] bought out? [6:27pm] <@dnbmathguy> by bob vincent? who put beeping morse code on the front page? [6:27pm] <@dnbmathguy> I think that was supposed to be one of our lead-ins for the Christ ARG [6:27pm] That was another cockamamie creation, Bob Vincent. [6:27pm] so it was like aprol fools? [6:27pm] <@dnbmathguy> IIRC, jaded media was actually supposed to be a news site [6:27pm] White_Knight (wgw_killer@2b6f2293.27ad84c0.ihug.co.nz) has parted. Ť19 peopleť [6:28pm] <@Sin_Vraal> with a name like jadedmedia, you'd have figgered [6:28pm] i see... [6:28pm] yes, JM.net was going to be the news site for the Bob Vincent corporation, who was somehow going to be tied into this bloodline story [6:28pm] <@dnbmathguy> I remember we had talked once about actually tapping into the AP Wire [6:28pm] here, let me put up the old site [6:29pm] oh yea... i had actually started inquiries about getting access to the CP or the AP newslines [6:29pm] you remember too much dave ;) [6:29pm] hmm [6:29pm] you guys are scary [6:30pm] it was a wacky time [6:30pm] Cybornut|phone (Jokono@141bd0a1.20846cb9.2e099bf0.1599c5X) is now known as Cybornut [6:30pm] but it all ended up good... i knew dave was a puzzler from our days with Plexata... gup and veen and mart were Lockjaw cronies who knew a thing or two about ARG... it was a fun fun ride [6:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it was fun from our end, too :) [6:31pm] <@the42guy> yup, it was indeed [6:31pm] yep yep [6:31pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> when the focus shifted from arg to puzzles tho, my participation dropped down a bit [6:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> there may not be many of us - possibly just 42 and myself - but we stuck it out over a year through from 1.1 to 6.11-ish [6:31pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> I'm a writer not a puzzler ;) [6:31pm] I started at 1.1 too vraal [6:31pm] <@Sin_Vraal> oh yes, i named you earlier and forgot heh [6:32pm] speaking of which, 751 members as of today [6:32pm] <@dnbmathguy> I think you were the three big solvers [6:32pm] wow [6:32pm] that's a pretty good number considering we've done no outside advertising or shilling [6:32pm] i only have a handful of solves myself [6:32pm] well, after stage 2, the HOF was taken out because of the shift to the 'search for the ancient artifact' idea [6:33pm] <@dnbmathguy> you guys found the jade monkey! congratulations! [6:33pm] stages 3-5 were the 'test' and 6 was supposed to the travel around the world to get nformation about this artifact [6:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> would abeen cool if you'd completed it all like that [6:33pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i kept waiting for the 'final test' by sam :) [6:33pm] yes, but RL kicked a couple of us square in the arse, including me [6:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you get no complaints on this end man! [6:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it was a wild ride just as it was [6:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> even if I frig felines, oy [6:34pm] i also expect a final test, especially after the Mythos test, which in itself turned out to be a major jaw-dropper [6:35pm] seeing as we'd managed to skip in all three paths and all [6:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that whole rehearsal thing was pretty cool [6:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> who'd found that? [6:35pm] way to build a meta-puzzle! [6:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> ra + hel + ares -> egypt + greece + norway [6:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i can only imagine all of mythos started with that very realization [6:35pm] simply brilliant [6:35pm] um, that would be mart [6:36pm] who is, in fact, simply brilliant [6:36pm] <@Sin_Vraal> was that coincidence, or did it start there? [6:36pm] <@dnbmathguy> mart? [6:36pm] <@Sin_Vraal> like he found it and fit it in, vs. starting there [6:36pm] you mart, pick up [6:36pm] heh [6:36pm] pick up [6:36pm] i know you're there [6:37pm] oh, IRC is not the equivalent to an answering machine. my mistake. [6:37pm] i think the latter, sin [6:37pm] but he;s gonna have to tell you himself [6:37pm] <@dnbmathguy> unless he has the imbri script [6:37pm] <@dnbmathguy> where his computer beeps everytime the name Martavius is mentioned in chat [6:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i know if i were writing these kinds of things, i'd have had that in my arsenal and used it to build the whole concept [6:38pm] <@Sin_Vraal> or rather, i'd have *had* to for it to work out that way :) [6:38pm] <@Martavius> hmm? [6:39pm] ra hel ares = did you figure that out first or later? [6:39pm] <@Martavius> sorry, got distracted by something shiny [6:39pm] <@Martavius> I figured from the start that it should end with gods [6:39pm] <@Martavius> but the specific gods were chosen later [6:40pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you actually got the rehearsal bit to work by playing around? [6:41pm] <@Martavius> pretty much, yes [6:41pm] <@Martavius> I needed a single word to end with, that could be gotten from god names [6:42pm] <@Sin_Vraal> pretty damn good man. [6:42pm] * @Martavius bows [6:43pm] http://www.jadedmedia.net/old%20site/index.html [6:43pm] there's the old site [6:43pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Mart... all curses, death writs, and fatwas are hereby lifted. [6:44pm] <@the42guy> I dont even know what a fatwas is, but ditto [6:44pm] Note: I have yet to send out the prizes from the All Hallow's Eve contest of 2002. Maybe by this year. ;) [6:44pm] <@Martavius> actually, the death threats were one of the most amusing things about the game [6:44pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:44pm] <@Sin_Vraal> you don't know what a fatwa is? [6:44pm] <@Sin_Vraal> Ask Salomon Rushdie, he'll tell you [6:44pm] <@the42guy> who? [6:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> that's ok, jamesi - i'm still waiting to get my CTW swag i won [6:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> sigh. [6:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I forgot you're 12 - he's before your time [6:45pm] <@Martavius> at least the Mythos swag was sent and arrived [6:45pm] <@Sin_Vraal> did he go for the thong? [6:45pm] <@Martavius> nah, he went for the shirt [6:45pm] thanks to mart, whom i still owe money to ;) [6:45pm] <@the42guy> aw, darn [6:46pm] <@the42guy> :P [6:47pm] *sigh* So, I owe money to Mart and prizes to people who have been waiting 16 months. Anyone wanna be the PM for JMX 2? ;) [6:47pm] wow fatwa, I learn something new every day [6:47pm] <@Sin_Vraal> fatwas are cool [6:47pm] <@Sin_Vraal> they're not just for imams anymore :) [6:48pm] <@Sin_Vraal> JMX 2... yummy [6:48pm] yay JMX 2 [6:48pm] * !jamesi stays away from further JMXes [6:48pm] <@the42guy> mmm... jmx 2 [6:49pm] <@Sin_Vraal> jamesi... you can't possibly hold your talent from us forever. [6:49pm] yes i can [6:49pm] and, according to the wife, i'd better ;) [6:50pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:50pm] like my husband says, "Don't hate the wife, hate the game" [6:50pm] <@Sin_Vraal> baby got back. [6:51pm] <@the42guy> well - I think its now really time for me to get dinner [6:51pm] So, blame list is in the works... anything else you'd like to ask? [6:51pm] You could always be and "executive" PM jamesi [6:52pm] ^an [6:52pm] * Case_justin seconds the motion [6:52pm] * @Sin_Vraal puts lotion to the motion [6:52pm] * @the42guy does the Locomotion [6:52pm] * @dnbmathguy does the locomotion [6:52pm] <@dnbmathguy> jinx! [6:52pm] <@the42guy> heh [6:52pm] <@the42guy> I said it first! [6:52pm] <@the42guy> :P [6:53pm] <@dnbmathguy> I think I did [6:53pm] <@dnbmathguy> stupid lag, oh well [6:53pm] <@the42guy> what - ever. [6:53pm] well, i'm not disappearing from the face of the planet, but my PMing days are over [6:53pm] * Case_justin seconds the motion [6:53pm] * Sin_Vraal puts lotion to the motion [6:53pm] * dnbmathguy does the locomotion [6:53pm] * the42guy does the Locomotion [6:54pm] <@the42guy> [6:52pm] * Case_justin seconds the motion [6:54pm] <@the42guy> [6:52pm] * @Sin_Vraal puts lotion to the motion [6:54pm] <@the42guy> [6:52pm] * @the42guy does the Locomotion [6:54pm] <@the42guy> [6:52pm] * @dnbmathguy does the locomotion [6:54pm] <@Martavius> note to any potential PMs - it takes a *lot* of time [6:54pm] LOTS of time [6:54pm] <@dnbmathguy> aye [6:54pm] We spent so much time coding, and beta'ing, and recoding, and maintaining things... [6:54pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> more time than you think [6:54pm] <@Martavius> and fixing [6:55pm] <@dnbmathguy> and as I'm sure vraal will attest to, writing puzzles isn't always easy [6:56pm] <@the42guy> okay [6:56pm] <@the42guy> well, Im off. [6:56pm] <@the42guy> I'll keep this window active because I'm logging [6:56pm] later hobie [6:56pm] cya 'round 42 [6:56pm] <@the42guy> yah, its been fun [6:56pm] c'ya [6:56pm] <@the42guy> hope to see every again. [6:56pm] <@the42guy> :) [6:57pm] <@dnbmathguy> later 42 [6:57pm] <@the42guy> oh, what, and now you probably expect a BEACHY ANPAN, dont you? [6:57pm] <@the42guy> WELL [6:57pm] <@the42guy> you WONT get one. [6:57pm] <@the42guy> :P [6:57pm] heh [6:57pm] LC (bob@1ccf6d0.189efabc.ph.cox.net) is now known as LC_wrestlin [6:57pm] <@the42guy> this is the end. [6:58pm] <@Sin_Vraal> man, writing puzzles is hard [6:58pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and to write ones with this quality, it's way way hard [6:59pm] yeah, you made my brain hurt [6:59pm] Truly, there are of a high quality. And with the diverse range of puzzlemasters that we had, it was an interesting game to play, imho. [7:00pm] <@Sin_Vraal> definitely. i hope to see y'all again behind a curtain [7:00pm] I mean, Mart is obviously the crypto guy, while dnb and veen were the numbers people... dave was also more of an all-around threat, as was Gup and I. [7:00pm] <@dnbmathguy> well... if we are behind a curtain, I'd hope you wouldn't see us [7:01pm] NOC URTAINS [7:02pm] brb [7:02pm] I seriously don't know how you guys did it. I mean, puzzle after puzzle after puzzle... [7:03pm] <@Sin_Vraal> oh i know *how* they did it [7:03pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I question their sanity, however :) [7:04pm] <@dnbmathguy> sanity? [7:04pm] <@Martavius> I have no questions about my sanity [7:04pm] <@dnbmathguy> what is this "sanity" of which you speak? :) [7:04pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> what sanity? [7:04pm] <@Gup|JMX_Chat> which puzzle was that? [7:04pm] with 86 puzzles over 14 months, it averages out at about 5 days per puzzle, that's a whole lot... i wonder what RP's average would look like? [7:05pm] <@Martavius> I never said I was sane, Gup - just that there's no question [7:06pm] <@Sin_Vraal> dude for RP i must have cranked out 5 puzzles a week [7:07pm] <@Martavius> that's it? [7:07pm] <@Martavius> slacker [7:07pm] <@Martavius> I had Mythos done in less than a week [7:08pm] LC_wrestlin (bob@1ccf6d0.189efabc.ph.cox.net) is now known as LC [7:10pm] it took you a week to make ONE puzzle? pfbt [7:11pm] <@Martavius> well, it *was* fairly involved and convoluted [7:12pm] so you say ;) [7:12pm] <@Martavius> don't make me do a repeat, dude [7:13pm] <@Martavius> 'cause it'll have your name all over it [7:13pm] so what are you gonna do with all the free time now that you're not makin' puzzles? [7:13pm] <@Sin_Vraal> just like the tattoo on his ass [7:13pm] hehe [7:13pm] ZMaiden (Aymelek@2e099bf0.28a85a1b.tn.comcast.net) is now known as ZM[a]iden [7:14pm] <@Martavius> I'd say I'm going to sleep in, but I'm still on dayshift [7:14pm] <@Martavius> so for now, R&R is in order [7:14pm] Mart needs rest. [7:14pm] poor Mart [7:15pm] <@dnbmathguy> later mart [7:15pm] <@Martavius> um...not *right* now [7:15pm] no now! [7:15pm] hey jamesi, how's fatherhood treating ya? [7:15pm] <@Martavius> although soon....but I was speaking in general [7:15pm] AnthraX101 (Whee_@3d344119.2c464aa6.137f4c4b.112cbe95X) has parted. Ť18 peopleť [7:16pm] varin: if she gets any more active, i may drop a few pounds each week ;) [7:17pm] :) hehe, I know what you mean [7:18pm] <@Sin_Vraal> jamesi i think you can change the main jmx page that says 'stage 6 has launched' [7:18pm] <@Sin_Vraal> put up some sort of completion information there maybe? :) [7:18pm] Martavius (~martavius@1e6a17d0.306c6d51.cable.rogers.com) is now known as Mart[zzzz] [7:18pm] <@Mart[zzzz]> night, folks [7:18pm] gnite Mart [7:19pm] nite [7:19pm] Gup|JMX_Chat (marielamb@1c3ff672.262dee27.client2.attbi.com) is now known as Gupfee [7:20pm] you guys set the bar way up there for those who'll follow, that's for sure [7:21pm] yeah, I would love to be behind the curtain, but I'm scared, very scared [7:21pm] <@dnbmathguy> aww, it's not that scary [7:22pm] sin: on phone, hold on [7:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> scared? [7:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> it's not scary if you hvae a vision and the time to spare :) [7:22pm] <@Sin_Vraal> and the support staff [7:22pm] k, off phone now [7:22pm] * !jamesi scrolls up [7:23pm] <@Sin_Vraal> cuz the theme you hear time and again is never "it was my game, these guys just helped me" - it's ALWAYS totally a team effort. [7:23pm] sin: i'm not going to put the completion notice up on the main page, in case people get scared off by it... still want newcomers to come and play the game (as much as they can) [7:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> aha [7:24pm] <@Sin_Vraal> yes, that's a good point [7:24pm] * !jamesi is thinking of a master plan, but he's got nothing but sweat inside his hand [7:25pm] jamesi: you could always "reset" the game by having the yahoo group disabled somehow (change name, remove files, or whatever) [7:25pm] and about the idea of JMX continuing on afterwards: if you have puzzles like JC did that are easy for me to code, i will be adding a new section for your puzzles [7:26pm] well, some of the solves are impossible to get noe because of certain factors... like, the !jademonkey IRC script [7:26pm] <@Sin_Vraal> i've got one for you :) [7:26pm] email me the specs and the .html code if you can and i'll get them up on a week to week basis [7:26pm] make it easy on me though [7:26pm] <@Sin_Vraal> html is easy, i have it from before. [7:26pm] <@Sin_Vraal> But there's no way i can make it nearly as pretty as you can :) [7:27pm] No, that's true. [7:28pm] I am quite happy with my coding experience that I got during the JMX run [7:28pm] compared to the early versions of GG/JM, JMX was a masterpiece [7:28pm] * !jamesi thanks elated.com for their help [7:28pm] you know, I sat quietly until the end, but it was my game, these guys just helped me. [7:28pm] heh [7:28pm] damn ax [7:29pm] <@dnbmathguy> oh, forgot about that [7:32pm] so, am I going to call an end to the *official* JMX post-game chat... but feel free to ask any further questions... or to voice your comments... [7:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> NO JAMESI NO! WE LOVE YOU! [7:32pm] i'm staying put [7:32pm] but i'm ending the *official* chat [7:32pm] <@Sin_Vraal> pant, pant... pant. [7:33pm] jamesi changes topic to 'Endgame 02-12-04 | Over 700 Members Served | Welcome to 2004: The Year of the Monkey' [7:33pm] *sigh* closure [7:33pm] wow. I'll miss this [7:33pm] no kidding [7:33pm] sniff sniff [7:33pm] alot [7:34pm] If anything, JMX taught me how nice it can be to be on the other side of things but to still feel a part of the community at large. [7:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> :) [7:34pm] <@Sin_Vraal> don't be a stranger, bucko [7:35pm] Never a stranger, only stranger and stranger. [7:35pm] it's weird how acheron and JMX went out at the same time, almost [7:35pm] with no coordination between our camp and theirs [7:35pm] <@Sin_Vraal> wasn't there? [7:36pm] none [7:36pm] <@Sin_Vraal> I heard Jake went back in time and solved Mythos 3 weeks earlier than originally so that they'd coincide [7:36pm] <@Gupfee> heh [7:37pm] Nope. [7:37pm] phbbt [7:37pm] but heh all the same [7:39pm] well *stretch* *yawn* wifey just got home, so i better go keep her company [7:39pm] thanks for the memories [7:39pm] <@Sin_Vraal> now who's more important. i mean really. [7:39pm] <@Gupfee> good night jon! [7:39pm] good night [7:39pm] night jamesi! [7:39pm] <@the42guy> night! [7:39pm] night jamesi [7:40pm] jamesi (jamesi@25b55acd.2b3a2604.wp.shawcable.net) is now known as j[a]mesi [7:40pm] <@dnbmathguy> g'night [7:40pm] <@dnbmathguy> so, does someone wanna post the log? [7:40pm] <@the42guy> I will [7:40pm] <@the42guy> un momento. [7:40pm] yea, someone who was HERE THE WHOLE TIME (says jamesi, as he grumbles at his cute-as-hell daughter) [7:42pm] yeah, I've gotta be going too. Time to put the kid to bed. [7:42pm] bye all [7:42pm] varin ŤVarin@1b4962bd.1a9e3c85.wi.charter.comť has Quit iRC